Here we go another problem !

[Hansen Equipment Inc]

I agree something is very wrong.first warranty should cover the engine if no fault of the customer,Just what failed? And we dont put a price on the repair to devalue a tractor to figure if it is worth it or not,it is a warranty repair or replace.that simple .Now if the customer sprayed either in it, wrong or no oil, or messed with the fuel injection or flipped the tractor over and left it running then I would say NO Warranty .This is not like service to just say no But I dont know what happened.I think you should see what happened to this eng.find out who determend the cause of this failure and how this was relayed to service and see a written denial from LS corp. not the dealer.let us know

 

[ozley]

UPDATE for anyone that has been wondering !!!!
The dealer recommended that I get my insurance co. Involved, then after they looked at the tractor they TOTALED IT !!!!!!!!!!! now that was just the tractor not the loader ! Now I got lucky and got enough $$$$ to pay off the loan, now I'm waiting for my overpayment so I can get another tractor! I've been without a tractor since 12/31/12 , What advice can you give me on another tractor ?? Do I sell my loader or try to reuse it? Thanks guys !!!

This is a weird story for sure. They get a motor in at the dealer then pass it off to insurance who total it. What is a over payment that comes after the fact.

 

[RAYJAY]

I agree something is very wrong.first warranty should cover the engine if no fault of the customer,Just what failed? And we dont put a price on the repair to devalue a tractor to figure if it is worth it or not,it is a warranty repair or replace.that simple .Now if the customer sprayed either in it, wrong or no oil, or messed with the fuel injection or flipped the tractor over and left it running then I would say NO Warranty .This is not like service to just say no But I dont know what happened.I think you should see what happened to this eng.find out who determend the cause of this failure and how this was relayed to service and see a written denial from LS corp. not the dealer.let us know

read this post

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/ls-tractors/262652-help-starter-will-not-work.html

# 6 and #9 and 20 post numbers ......

 

[mangus580]

Well that explains alot...

Basically, he submerged his engine, got water into it, continued to run it without changing the oil, and blew it up.

Then, expects the dealer to repair it under warranty.

That explains alot... CERTAINLY not a problem LS generated!

 

[ozley]

Well that explains alot...

Basically, he submerged his engine, got water into it, continued to run it without changing the oil, and blew it up.

Then, expects the dealer to repair it under warranty.

That explains alot... CERTAINLY not a problem LS generated!

I remember reading that at the time. Didn't put 2 & 2 together. That does make a good story. I wish him luck.

 

[G3033H]

Just to get it right the oil, filter ect. Had been changed 3 X and the filter alone had been changed 6 just FYI, it was also months b4 any problems reared there ugly head, but that kind of **** happens, any thoughts on what to do with a loader ? Would like to do a backhoe with a tractor this time and be able to avoid any sinking feelings !!!! Should I go bigger than a G3033 ???

 

[mangus580]

Just to get it right the oil, filter ect. Had been changed 3 X and the filter alone had been changed 6 just FYI, it was also months b4 any problems reared there ugly head, but that kind of **** happens, any thoughts on what to do with a loader ? Would like to do a backhoe with a tractor this time and be able to avoid any sinking feelings !!!! Should I go bigger than a G3033 ???

FYI, water is VERY difficult to get out of an engine.....

Honestly, your cheapest route, would be to stay with the G3033, as the loader you have is going to be hard to sell....

 

[Ted Summey]

So exactly what was the diagnosis on the engine specifically?

 

[DK35vince]

read this post

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/ls-tractors/262652-help-starter-will-not-work.html

# 6 and #9 and 20 post numbers ......

I have been following the post to see how it worked out.
I did not know that the owner sunk the tractor, got mud water in the motor causing damage then wondered why warranty would not cover it.
The rest of the story explains a lot.

 

[ozley]

I have been following the post to see how it worked out.
I did not know that the owner sunk the tractor, got mud water in the motor causing damage then wondered why warranty would not cover it.
The rest of the story explains a lot.

Sounds like he had nice dealer. Help him get a dead tractor paid for.

 

[Hansen Equipment Inc]

He sure dose have a good dealer. The dealer put a lot out along with LS until they got to the root of the problem. shouldn't have to be that way ,The dealer should always be the first call with every problem like this. The manufacture has spent a lot of money up front to provide warranty, and even that this was not a warranty claim and could never have been, it still cost every one something. If things where differnt and the tractor never restarted and brought to the dealer on a rolloff things could of been different. There is a chemical to put into freshly changed oil that removes water then rechange the oil 2 more times in a row, this may have made a difference. Things happen I see it every day,We always try to improve on it to keep things from rehappening. Good thing his insurance covered it,

 

[madmax12]

I'm glad noone got stuck buying that one used, had it lasted a bit longer than it did. You never know what some equipment been through.

 

[Ted Summey]

This is an odd story! After all the dealer did and the expense (time/labor) of diagnosing the problem, involving the manufacturer and finally encouraging an insurance claim, the OP is thinking about a different dealer and brand of replacement tractor too! It seems that the dealer gave exceptional service based on the OP's side of the story. If the OP liked his tractor choice in the first place, then why change brands? Why not just get a replacement tractor like the one damaged? I could see an upgrade in HP/features within the same brand, but an outright switch? That's odd to me IMHO.

We all do things we shouldn't from time to time - it is human nature - the first error (sinking the tractor in the mud) is forgivable (although odd), where the OP went wrong is when he didn't contact his dealer immediately after sinking the tractor in the mud. For a machine still under warranty and insured it seems odd that a claim wasn't made immediately. Insurance still would likely have paid for the engine rebuild and tractor reconditioning and the damage wouldn't have been as extensive. The multiple oil changes might have sounded like a good idea but if there was MUD and not just water in the engine the engine wouldn't last very long. On top of that the OP continued to operate the machine with warning lights coming on - odd again. The whole story sounds odd - but people do odd things - hind sight (which is 20/20 or better) certainly can make things look odd as well:2cents:

 

[ozley]

rwork - my main concern here, is that by not getting the full story, someone may look poorly upon LS.

Here is a lock thread were that has happen.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271606

 

[GManBart]

Don't know but it only had 81 hrs !!!! But if they wanted it fixed they said the engine was like $8200.00 all by itself !!! I know a kabota engine is like half that ! Also needed the loan paid if they weren't going to fix it under warranty !!!! I'm thinking of going to a different brand !!! Any thoughts ???

Thoughts? Yeah, you're not giving the whole story, and it wasn't a problem with the brand, the dealer, or your specific tractor.

What do you mean you don't know? You sunk it in mud/water and continued to run it after warning lights came on.

That's a very clear case of abuse/operator error. Stuff happens, we all know that. The proper response to submerging it would be to shut it down, extract it, if at all possible (without running the engine ), immediately call the dealer and follow their advice exactly.

 

[Singalo]

Here is a lock thread were that has happen.

J2030H, Lack of Information from anywhere, Including dealers.

Where (What) happened exactly? The core arguments I made in that thread are as valid now as they were when I posted them. As it turns out after the tractor show, I am one "Good" demonstration away from buying a J. But I note that had it not of been for Magnus putting me on to a competent dealer, that would not at all be the case.

 

[kevin37b]

There are people that should not own any sort of powered equipment , here is the classic example .Why all the exclamation marks in this story . I'd bet this guy would laugh after the tree fell on his house .

 

[ozley]

Where (What) happened exactly? The core arguments I made in that thread are as valid now as they were when I posted them. As it turns out after the tractor show, I am one "Good" demonstration away from buying a J. But I note that had it not of been for Magnus putting me on to a competent dealer, that would not at all be the case.

Not against you relax where what
Post 3 &4
Written by Singalo
"G3033H just shared a story with me that,,,,,,, well lets just say it supports all of my fears and then some."

We now know what happen to G3033H and his dealer.

 

[Singalo]

Not against you relax where what
Post 3 &4
Written by Singalo
"G3033H just shared a story with me that,,,,,,, well lets just say it supports all of my fears and then some."

We now know what happen to G3033H and his dealer.

I am quite relaxed thank you.

But you are correct, that particular comment was made prior to knowing he submerged his tractor. Funny how that information didn't come out until latter on, as if it was irrelevant information. I kind of think that bit should have been mentioned in the first sentence, like:

So, I submerged my tractor, and 2 months later my engine died.

Would have saved everyone involved a lot of time.

 

[Ted Summey]

There are people that should not own any sort of powered equipment , here is the classic example .Why all the exclamation marks in this story . I'd bet this guy would laugh after the tree fell on his house .

I reckon someone like that would change the furnace filter 6x before calling insurance or fixing the roof :shocked: