Hill Climbing Primer

[CalG]

Ahh.... The after glow, A subject of little contention...... Yet, very deeply "embedded" in us all.

 

[Grandad4]

Don't pretend to have anything to add to all this except to say "Thanks" to everyone for a thoughtful, informative and civil discussion, with some good-natured ribbing included for good measure. Nice to see that is still occasionally possible on TBN.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I was not directing at anyone, just venting my frustration at how such a simple thing can get so muddled when we try to explain it. After all, it is as plain as the nose on my face I feel sorry for someone looking for a quick handle on dealing with this subject who runs across this thread. Actually it could be a blessing if it challenges him to dig in and sort all that has been said. That would take more patience than most who would be looking here for answers to such a question as being discussed.

Really not directing at anyone. I am just amazed that this thread has continued so long. Sharing my experience of this being common barnyard lore since tractors began. As a four year old I remember my grand dad having a discussion with a neighbor on how to hook a Fordson steel wheeled tractor to a stump and they stood there arguing about it. I couldn't understand why my grandfather was getting so ugly. Then in 1950 (I was 12) when Dad bought the John Deere A (biggest day of my life I thought) the dealer was explaining about the drawbar length setting and how it was John Deeres special solution for safety (they made it convenient to change the length) and how they were a leader in the field. The drawbar length thing caught my ear and I spent a lot of my tractor time observing how the tractor behaved at various lengths. With a light front end tractor it was easy to detect differences in the steering. I went on to a career as a mechanical/electrical engineer largely because I had gotten in the habit of trying to understand what was going on in all those arguments ( discussions) among the farmer neighbors. Remind me to tell you sometime about a discussion about electricity.

Please no one take an insult. I am still amazed that this thread has continued so long though. I suppose if one wanted to do a little study on how to make this person or that person look like a blooming idiot this thread could go on until a nuclear holocaust. Of course no one is being an idiot but on this subject people listening might think it looks so.

Yes. Observation should always mesh with science.

The clear contention I see is the claim that with enuf power it doesnt matter how lo you hitch, it will still be able to flip in a steady pull.... Since that is wrong, and shows a misunderstanding of physical things it is beneficial to correct it.
larry

 

[Egon]

Yes. Observation should always mesh with science.

The clear contention I see is the claim that with enuf power it doesnt matter how lo you hitch, it will still be able to flip in a steady pull.... Since that is wrong, and shows a misunderstanding of physical things it is beneficial to correct it.
larry

Sorry, sufficient torque and sufficient traction and it will go over. Sorry to burst your bubble.:laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

Some will be confused, some will not

It's a complicated subject ;-)

I guess we'll put you in the confused section since you still haven't answered my question concerning pinion bearing load???

 

[SPYDERLK]

I guess we'll put you in the confused section since you still haven't answered my question concerning pinion bearing load???

When are you going to answer mine?

 

[ovrszd]

Yes. Observation should always mesh with science.

The clear contention I see is the claim that with enuf power it doesnt matter how lo you hitch, it will still be able to flip in a steady pull.... Since that is wrong, and shows a misunderstanding of physical things it is beneficial to correct it.larry

This is the second time you've said I'm "wrong". Again, between CalG and you, when you can't prove yourself right thru theory, you act the claim as wrong. I've not one time said anything about you being wrong or non-practical or mis-understood or any of the other things CalG and yourself have said about me.

I figure when one participant in a discussion resorts to accusations that participant no longer has anything to support their theory.

I set up a perfect, easy to understand scenario to make my case. Neither CalG or yourself have even acknowledged it.

If you can't figure out what I'm talking about, reread my posts, you'll find it. Again, I'm not going to copy/paste half a dozen posts as if that makes the content fact.

 

[ovrszd]

When are you going to answer mine?

Sorry Larry, I must have missed the question?? What was it??

 

[SPYDERLK]

Originally Posted by ovrszd

I think we're getting somewhere here if we can all just focus on this point. Our contention is that as long as the powertrain has sufficient power to turn the pinion and the tires maintain traction the light front effect happens. Whether or not the pinion keeps turning has absolutely nothing to do with where the hitch point is, what load it's hitched to, or any other leverages you mention. All of your contentions come into play, but not in regards to the pinion turning and walking around the ring gear. That's a totally separate action and it does not care whether it's hitched to anything or not.

What youre saying is that the pinion can overide a torque generated by its own action, that is equal and opposite to the direction of its action. Why do you say that?

This.

 

[ovrszd]

Originally Posted by ovrszd This.

What youre saying is that the pinion can overide a torque generated by its own action, that is equal and opposite to the direction of its action. Why do you say that?The above statement is yours. I never said anything resembling that.There's two contentions I claim.First. No tire slippage. No powertrain failure along with enough power to keep turning. No movement of the load attached. Power applied to move the tractor forward. The tractor will become light in the front and without any mechanical interference (wheelie bars, hitch rammed in the ground, etc.) will in fact tip over backward.Second is a question CalG and yourself have avoided. With forward movement where is the load on the pinion bearing closest to the pinon gear, Top, Left Side, Right Side, Bottom?? And to save going back and forth half a dozen posts, explain why you chose whichever you choose.Please forgive my crunched paragraph, for some reason my computer won't separate.