first let me say that I am a newbie, and glad I found this forum. now for my questions! just bought a hinomoto c-144 and am looking for some info on it. only has 522 hrs, and came with a continental belton 5 ft finish mower. am looking for possibly a manual that lists specs and capacities. does this compare with anything u.s. such as 1010 massey? am planning on using it to maintain 2 acre yard( good and level), and 1 1/2 acre pasture. what are the quirks, and what should i be aware of and watch for closely? seems to be a great little tractor, and everything works great, even 4x4. also what is the knob under the middle of seat for? possibly draft control for lift? am new, so anything is appreciated!
hinomoto C-144
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Poncho Villa
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Hello!
I was told the C144 is the same as the MF 1010 by the person who sold it to me. He also provided me with a service manual for the MF 1010 & so far it seems to agree with anything I've worked on. I believe you can purchase manuals from Leonard Sheaffer (sheaftractor@grics.net, TractorByNet.com | John Deere, Kubota, New Holland, and more!) who posts on this board occasionally. If you have any specific questions about capacities, I don't mind looking them up.
I'm a little clueless about the knob you mention as well. From the manual, it appears the knob is used to adjust the lowering speed of the hydraulic lift arms. To increase lowering speed, turn knob counterclockwise; to decrease, clockwise; to lock, turn knob clockwise until stopped.
I was told the C144 is the same as the MF 1010 by the person who sold it to me. He also provided me with a service manual for the MF 1010 & so far it seems to agree with anything I've worked on. I believe you can purchase manuals from Leonard Sheaffer (sheaftractor@grics.net, TractorByNet.com | John Deere, Kubota, New Holland, and more!) who posts on this board occasionally. If you have any specific questions about capacities, I don't mind looking them up.
I'm a little clueless about the knob you mention as well. From the manual, it appears the knob is used to adjust the lowering speed of the hydraulic lift arms. To increase lowering speed, turn knob counterclockwise; to decrease, clockwise; to lock, turn knob clockwise until stopped.
Thanks for the response! until i get a manual, i need the capacities on engine oil and filter change, and hydraulic fluid. also where do you add hydraulic fluid at? know where to check, but where do i add. so far tractor seems tough built, and pretty simple engineered, just want to find out its limits. also is rear lift cat. 1, and what does the manual show for the lift capacity? sorry for the questions, but just need some quick answers before my manual arrives. Thanks again!!!
Poncho Villa
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Engine Crankcase with Filter:
- Late tractors with two drain plugs - 3.0 litres (3.2 US quarts)
- Early tractors with one drain plug - 2.5 litres (2.64 US quarts)
Transmission: 17 litres (4.49 US gallons)
Front Axle (4WD only):
- Differential case - 1.5 litres (1.6 US quarts)
- Gear case (each) - .4 litres (.42 US quarts)
Those are the easy answers to find. I'll get back on the rest as I find them. I just added the hydraulic fluid on top of the case - I think there was a rubber plug but I'll have to check the next time I can get to them.
- Late tractors with two drain plugs - 3.0 litres (3.2 US quarts)
- Early tractors with one drain plug - 2.5 litres (2.64 US quarts)
Transmission: 17 litres (4.49 US gallons)
Front Axle (4WD only):
- Differential case - 1.5 litres (1.6 US quarts)
- Gear case (each) - .4 litres (.42 US quarts)
Those are the easy answers to find. I'll get back on the rest as I find them. I just added the hydraulic fluid on top of the case - I think there was a rubber plug but I'll have to check the next time I can get to them.
Poncho Villa
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Easier to find than I thought...
For the standard tractor:
Hydraulic System
Pump Max Output: 14.2 litre/minute (3.75 gpm) @ 2,600 engine rpm
Pump Max Pressure: recommended operating max pressure 14.0 N/mm squared (2,030 psi)
Linkage: 3 point linkage, category I (looks like the capital letter "I" rather than a number "1")
Max Lift Capacity: 550 kg (1,213 lbs). Measured 610 mm (24") behind link ends (SAE J-283) with top link positioned in top hole and vertical lift rods attached in forward holes on lower links.
Relief Valve Pressure: 14.0 N/mm squared (2,030 psi)
For the standard tractor:
Hydraulic System
Pump Max Output: 14.2 litre/minute (3.75 gpm) @ 2,600 engine rpm
Pump Max Pressure: recommended operating max pressure 14.0 N/mm squared (2,030 psi)
Linkage: 3 point linkage, category I (looks like the capital letter "I" rather than a number "1")
Max Lift Capacity: 550 kg (1,213 lbs). Measured 610 mm (24") behind link ends (SAE J-283) with top link positioned in top hole and vertical lift rods attached in forward holes on lower links.
Relief Valve Pressure: 14.0 N/mm squared (2,030 psi)
Poncho Villa
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For the hydro tractor (hydrostatic transmission?), the specs are the same except:
Pump Max Output: 13.5 litre/minute (3.56 gpm) @ 2,600 engine rpm
Pump Max Output: 13.5 litre/minute (3.56 gpm) @ 2,600 engine rpm
Thanks again for your help! believe it or not manual has arrived, but after looking at it, i have but two more questions if you can help? my air filter is beyond help, and i cannot find any numbers on it anywhere. do you know what size and kind it takes by chance? also the manual shows the water temp sending unit mounted into the thermostat housing. i have looked my motor over upside down and backwards, and cannot find a sending unit anywhere. has a temp light, so must have a temp switch somewhere. was wanting to see if i could mount a temp guage on it without having something drilled and tapped! any help is once again enoramously appreciated! so far little tractor seems tough as nails!
Poncho Villa
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Right now my tractors are on my parent's place (in a galaxy far, far away) and I don't visit except on weekends. I'll try to get down there soon to take a look at the air filter and look for a temperature sending unit location. I do recall that the air filter was a wire mesh cylinder that could be cleaned and reused. If memory serves me (and it usually doesn't), the filter was about 10" long with ~ 4" outside diameter & 2" inside diameter. I'll be sure to measure them when I next get an opportunity.
For what it's worth, I read a post from ~ 2000 (7 years ago) on another board that a guy used a Fram 530 air filter and expanded the hole on one end with a pipe expander to get it to fit. However, I've not found such an animal.
I did find what's described as an air filter for the MF 1010 at Air Filter but there's no picture to verify that it looks like the one I have.
Sorry I can't be much help there!
For what it's worth, I read a post from ~ 2000 (7 years ago) on another board that a guy used a Fram 530 air filter and expanded the hole on one end with a pipe expander to get it to fit. However, I've not found such an animal.
I did find what's described as an air filter for the MF 1010 at Air Filter but there's no picture to verify that it looks like the one I have.
Sorry I can't be much help there!
Poncho Villa
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Hey, check this out from the MF 1010 group in this board (user name "lambs"):
"I have a 1010 2wd straight drive, and use the following filters. Had to do a bit of searching to figure them out, but they seem to work fine.
Oil: NAPA FIL1389, WIX 51389
Air: NAPA FIL6270, WIX 46270, Fram CAK530
Fuel: NAPA FIL3262, WIX 33262
Hydraulic: NAPA FIL1210, WIX 51210"
I checked the NAPA filter on the NAPA web site and it looks like the one I use. I hope this helps some!
"I have a 1010 2wd straight drive, and use the following filters. Had to do a bit of searching to figure them out, but they seem to work fine.
Oil: NAPA FIL1389, WIX 51389
Air: NAPA FIL6270, WIX 46270, Fram CAK530
Fuel: NAPA FIL3262, WIX 33262
Hydraulic: NAPA FIL1210, WIX 51210"
I checked the NAPA filter on the NAPA web site and it looks like the one I use. I hope this helps some!
Poncho Villa
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Here's a manual for a Simplicity / Allis Chalmers that I understand is like our C144:
http://www.simplicitytechpubs.com/6767PRINT/PDF_files/TP_100_3075_00_XX_SA.pdf
Page 24 shows a pick of the rubber plug / oil filler hole for the transmission.
http://www.simplicitytechpubs.com/6767PRINT/PDF_files/TP_100_3075_00_XX_SA.pdf
Page 24 shows a pick of the rubber plug / oil filler hole for the transmission.
Thanks so much for your info! your a mountain of knowledge on this tractor! as for the temp sending unit, mine doesnt have one, nor does it have a light.(after long and hard looking) panel has oil, fuel, charge, and glow plugs lights. am trying to figure a way to mount temp guage somewhere(maybe in upper red hose). so how do you like your tractor, and what kind of implements do you have for it? have you had any problems with it since ownership, and have you found a good place for parts? so far all i have for mine is a 5ft finish mower. its a little large, so i am thinking of maybe trading for a 4ft if i can find one. once again, thanks a million for the help, and i will definately keep in touch on this forum. By the way, i see you are in OKC. i am about 2 hrs away in Beggs. funny, huh?
buppy69
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Poncho Villa said:
This tractor is nothing like the C144. It is like the C174. Much bigger frame. The only close match is the MF1010.
Eugene
Poncho Villa
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Buppy69 - Thanks for the clarification.
BDunegan - Wow! Small world! I have to admit that my house is closer to Beggs than my tractors. My tractors are down near Tishomingo. I have a smaller 4' brush hog that I keep on one tractor and a box blade on the other. I have a tiller too but I've never even hooked it up to try it. Maybe one day my money tree will bloom so I can pick up a front end loader for one of the tractors.
Anyway, both tractors seem to be tough little tractors. However, the injector pump on the C144 became seized (wouldn't pump a thing out of two injectors). I removed the injection lines between the pump and the injectors & cranked the engine noting no pressure except on one line. I noticed what appeared to be a little piston working in the one good line that didn't work in the other two when I cranked it over. Using a small punch, I gently tapped the other two stuck pistons until they freed up. I'm not sure if I've messed up something or not. It runs now but it belches black smoke like nobody's business! Oh well. Hopefully running it will clear things up!
BDunegan - Wow! Small world! I have to admit that my house is closer to Beggs than my tractors. My tractors are down near Tishomingo. I have a smaller 4' brush hog that I keep on one tractor and a box blade on the other. I have a tiller too but I've never even hooked it up to try it. Maybe one day my money tree will bloom so I can pick up a front end loader for one of the tractors.
Anyway, both tractors seem to be tough little tractors. However, the injector pump on the C144 became seized (wouldn't pump a thing out of two injectors). I removed the injection lines between the pump and the injectors & cranked the engine noting no pressure except on one line. I noticed what appeared to be a little piston working in the one good line that didn't work in the other two when I cranked it over. Using a small punch, I gently tapped the other two stuck pistons until they freed up. I'm not sure if I've messed up something or not. It runs now but it belches black smoke like nobody's business! Oh well. Hopefully running it will clear things up!
buppy69
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Black smoke means injection pump is out of time or you're getting too much fuel to the cylinders.
Eugene
Eugene
Poncho Villa
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buppy69 said:
Thanks Eugene! Could I have gotten it out of time by tapping the pistons in the top of the injection pump with a punch to free them? Two of the three were stuck so I gently persuaded them to freedom. The tractor hadn't been started in nearly a year and I'll bet water was pulled into the pump (no fuel filter
). When I bought the tractor, it did not have the water trap / fuel filter and I ran it like that for about a year with no problems. Anyway, there's a filter on it now!
buppy69
Platinum Member
Wow, Shimp.
Where did you find this? That's a scan of a chart I made up several years ago and gave to a friend of mine in S.C. who started selling Hinomotos!
Eugene
Where did you find this? That's a scan of a chart I made up several years ago and gave to a friend of mine in S.C. who started selling Hinomotos!
Eugene
buppy
cant remember where i found it, im sure it was via a google search.
thank u for making it available to the masses, as it seems the hinomoto stuff is either a secret or just not much out there....
im listing things i find/do to my tractor at this site, in hopes it will help others..
http://www.mytractorforum.com/index.php
cant remember where i found it, im sure it was via a google search.
thank u for making it available to the masses, as it seems the hinomoto stuff is either a secret or just not much out there....
im listing things i find/do to my tractor at this site, in hopes it will help others..
http://www.mytractorforum.com/index.php
pablorossco
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I cannot find the location of replacing the Fuel Filter for the C144?? Can someone give me an idea where to find it? I have the other 3 filters.
Second question is: I have absolutely no power. It runs rough also. What ideas are there to pursue?
Thank you in advance!
Second question is: I have absolutely no power. It runs rough also. What ideas are there to pursue?
Thank you in advance!
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Follow the fuel line from the tank to the injector pump . If there's one on it, it will have to be there. Rough running could be bad fuel, head gasket, improper valve adjustment, worn or broken rings, stopped up injectors, etc.
Eugene
formerly buppy69
Eugene
formerly buppy69
