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   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #121  
ray66v-As you noticed, your continued incorrect spelling of my name annoyed me. I regret reverting to that. It doesn't take anti bullying training to recognize your probable goals. It may be to give my view less validity, to invalidate the references I post, to imply I'm a female (though your spelling is used by males also - operator of a local sawmill uses that spelling and has same last name so I often get his calls), to show lack of decency, or just to bully, etc.

Please show common decency.

Loren
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #122  
ray66v-As you noticed, your continued incorrect spelling of my name annoyed me. I regret reverting to that. It doesn't take anti bullying training to recognize your probable goals. It may be to give my view less validity, to invalidate the references I post, to imply I'm a female (though your spelling is used by males also - operator of a local sawmill uses that spelling and has same last name so I often get his calls), to show lack of decency, or just to bully, etc.

Please show common decency.

Loren

Loren, You read too much into people. Now that you specifically mention that I was misspelling your name, I see it. I am sorry a vague post like below, did not get my attention to that fact.

ray66v - as I noted in an earlier post, my name is Loren - that is a fact that I can prove unless you claim my birth certificate has been altered. just a little lame humor. Loren

Believe it or not, I never realized I was. Since you have a unique spelling, Shirley, (kidding), I am not the first, or last to do that.

I do apologize. No disrespect was meant. I misspelled your name, because I was used to spelling it Lauren, and since I don't type very quickly, I can get careless rushing through my proof reading. I fell I have been respectful, and decent, during our debate, and will always try to do so.

Happy Holidays.
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #123  
ray66v - Apology not necessary as I have also missed things in posts. I reacted as if it was intentional. Thanks for clearing it up. Your posts have been respectful and decent. Enjoy the holidays.

I honestly do not claim to know the truth of the matter - might not come through that way in my posts.

Merry Christmas to you and yours,
Loren

PS:I have spent a little more time on the site than usual as my wife had knee replacement surgery 2 weeks ago - I have dishpan hands - she is doing well.
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #124  
A little information on CO2 output from burning coal.

Carbon Dioxide Emission Factors for Coal

The carbon dioxide emission factors in this article are expressed in terms of the energy content of coal as pounds of carbon dioxide per million Btu. Carbon dioxide (CO2) forms during coal combustion when one atom of carbon (C) unites with two atoms of oxygen (O) from the air. Because the atomic weight of carbon is 12 and that of oxygen is 16, the atomic weight of carbon dioxide is 44. Based on that ratio, and assuming complete combustion, 1 pound of carbon combines with 2.667 pounds of oxygen to produce 3.667 pounds of carbon dioxide.

Complete combustion of 1 short ton (2,000 pounds) of this coal will generate about 5,720 pounds (2.86 short tons) of carbon dioxide.

Loren


I concede that burning a lb of coal produces a **** of a lot more carbon dioxide than I would have guessed. Thank you for citing the source as my chemistry schooling was 25 years ago and largely forgotten! But it does keep my house nice and toasty :(
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #125  
Lauren,(kidding of course) I hope your wife is doing good with her replacement. Its tough, have a dear friend going through it now.Wanted to say I enjoyed the arguments in this thread and learned something as well. Merry Chrismas to you all!!!
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #126  
I'll bet 100% of TBNers believe that driving sideways on a steep hill with a heavy load in the FEL held high is a recipe for a rollover. Most of us have some personal experience with tippy tractors that gave us a common-sense appreciation of the reality of this prediction.

Unfortunately, a lot of modern science doesn't allow this kind of experiential validity. And, historically, when ever scientists shook up the established modes of thinking, controversy ensued. Einstein was an unknown kid when he published his radical theories of relativity. Very few physicists accepted it: his reasoning was hard to follow and some of the predictions (the bending of light due to gravity, the absoluteness of the speed of light, relativity of time) were difficult if not impossible to test. But over time the controversy has died out as more and more repeatable results predicted by his arcane theories have been demonstrated.

Scientists still don't "understand" a lot of the paradoxes and weirdnesses of quantum mechanics, but it doesn't stop them from being true. The $600 laptop I'm typing this on has a hard drive made possible by paradoxical quantum behavior. Your's probably does, too.

Even if 100% of all people believed in God it wouldn't make it science, because it's not testable. Science is based on repeated testability with consistent results.

Climate change is very real. The evidence is overwhelming. As the planet heats up, some areas will get hotter and some will get colder. For example, as more polar ice melts significant amounts of cold fresh water will be carried on top of salt water in ocean currents, potentially cooling off places like Seattle and the UK that have mild climates because of warm ocean currents. These isolated changes don't by themselves mean the average temperature of the planet is not increasing. Thermometers tell us it is. Just as the oceans covering over 60% of the planet are absorbing significant amounts of excess CO2 from the atmosphere, but becoming more acidic in the process. pH meters tell us that.

I grew up in Tennessee when it was still illegal to teach evolution. It's amazing to me that people still want to debate this as a "theory" when the physical evidence is so overwhelming. When the consensus of serious scientists is so great. When the alternatives, while suitable as religious concepts, hardly qualify as science since they're not testable.

The "theories" of global warming/climate change and man's involvement in them are testable, fact-based, and agreed to by an overwhelming majority of the serious people who study this for a living. For someone like me (a layman, not a climatologist) to dispute this would be just plain ignorant. For an elected representative to do it based on the Bible is way beyond ignorant.

The problem with denying this is that the stakes are so high. If the 82% of climatologists who believe climate change is largely man-made are WRONG, then doing nothing will have no affect on global warming and we'll still be hosed. If, however, they're RIGHT, then doing nothing will be remembered by our grandchildren as one of the greatest screwups in history.
 
   / HOLY-COW-COLD-IN-FL #127  
NoFarm :laughing: I mean YesDeere -Thanks for the concern for my wife - she's gaining daily. (The only tractors I knew until I was 17 were John Deere (A, B, 60) Spent many hours with the putt-putt of the 2 cylinder.

Gerard -I was also surprised by the amount of CO2 per pound of coal burned. I had no idea until I did the research. It's easy online but always a challenge to decide if the information is fact or fiction - or at what point in between)

Here is a site that is a presentation to school teachers on the teaching of evolution, etc. Its interesting because it emphasizes that it is not really a fight between Science and Religion. Many find it compatible with their beliefs.

I've learned and been encouraged to think about many topics from the different perspectives. I've been challenged more by those who have a different view. (Still trying to find more info on "oil not a fossil fuel".) Its ok to discuss and I'm pleased we've been allowed to do it on this forum.

Loren
 
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