Comparison Home Stand By Generators

   / Home Stand By Generators #171  
Just ran the whole house and well pump on my 5kw for 2 days straight. You guys needing 15-20kw units must have a house like a factory ( excluding farms ).
I have a 18kW Generac hooked up to natgas, with an automatic transfer case. There is no way I could run my house on 5kW, but obviously each situation is different. Two central a/c units, two refrs, lights, pool pump, yada yada.

My concern is not getting by for a few hours with minimalist survival parts running. It's when the hurricanes & tornadoes hit, and we lose power for 2-5 days. I want my entire house to stay alive, and I want it to kick on without human intervention. When you lose power in August, without a/c most housing in Texas becomes very uncomfortable, very quickly. Livable? Sure, but why put up with it if you don't have to?

But we each have our own situation, with our own constraints and wish & want list. That's why I love reading these threads, to read how others handle these issues.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #172  
When in a black out situation I try not to use appliances like dryer, ac's, pool pumps, hot tubs or any other that really do not have to be run. Depending on the time of the season and temperatures. The less you use the more efficiently your generator will work and less costly. The cost of operating a gen is on how you use it. Just sayin.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #173  
It seems from reading the posts that a lot of you have all electric or heavily electric homes?

I've only lived/owned in one all electric home and it does make a huge difference in planning when everything is 100% electric down the power needed for the pellet stove.

On the other hand... my almost 1300 square foot California home from the 1920's has a single 30 amp edison fuse for the main... soon to be a 100 years old and the main is from 1922.

When the big earthquake struck in 1989 neighbors were coming to me because they had remodeled and their homes were heavily invested in electricity...

I had gas hot water, gas cooking and gravity whole house central heat... add a few candles and life was good.

My Honda EX 1000 whisper quiet generator was enough to keep the freezer nice and frozen and enough to wash and then dry clothes...

Just saying we have different opinions based on different needs...

PS... when the outside temps dip below 60 everyone is pulling out their winter gear hear.... to me, the temp is just getting good for outside work...
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #174  
My home is a Century Log home ( all cedar logs) which is well insulated for keeping the house warm in the winter and cool in the summer no need for AC's.I have tried to convert to less electricity needs. I changed all the light bulbs to 7 watt LED lights, installed a on demand tankless propane water heater, propane oven/stove, heat with a pellet stove ( uses 1.2 amps to run fans ) also have a ERV air exchanger ( 1.4 amp) no AC's, no freezer. My generac 11 kw handles all my electrical needs. I also have satellite TV and internet. That's about it.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #175  
at my last home I had a 20kw Generac propane genset that came with their full package of autoswitching and autotest features. It worked flawlessly for four years. My sister installed the same one in her NJ house and it also ran perfectly. Both of us used professional installers and I believe my all in cost back then was about seven grand. My sister's for the exact same thing was 9. Because she lives in Princeton NJ and gets overcharged along with all her neighbors. The point is, first of all, the gasoline 3600 rpm units ran perfectly. Yes, annual oil changes on synthetic. Air filter never got any sign of dirt on it and plug changed every two years. It looked almost like new. Propane really keeps the engine clean; too bad they don't offer an 1800 rpm version making 12kw(?)

But there was a big concern with the unit. It constantly flickered the lights when the heat pump kicked in. One five ton unit, but 100% electric, toaster grid emergency heat. But even on regular heat, the lights would flicker and you could hear the unit groan and recover. Plus it was pretty noisy echoing off my next door neighbor's home.

So here I am at my new home, with a newish Westinghouse electric start 9000/7500 genset and extension cords. I exercise it monthly for several hours with several heaters plugged in. Always starts and runs great.
I feel pretty exposed actually; a tornado came down half a mile from my home last year. Freak tornado but one nonetheless. And in the last ten years they had one week long outage here.

It is very hard for me to pick up a full can of gas or diesel due to my arthritis and physical restrictions. So a whole house gen is my only option and I have a 500 gal propane tank all ready for it. Two gaspacks in the house plus one heat pump. Electric kitchen and two electric water heaters plus an electric instant on demand heater for the remodeled bathroom. So a lot of potential amp draw. 400 amp service, two 20 circuit 200 amp panels entirely full. So...all new panels needed, sigh, and power them with what?

The absolute best bang for the buck right now seems to be the Generac 22kw for say 4500 bucks including all the major parts needed.
The problem is that once you get past our "lawn mower engines" and go to basically car engines powered by propane or LP, the price jump is really huge. Now instead of 4500 bucks it's 11 grand and more and everything expensive is now a la carte. Plus more expensive install because the panels are usually bigger or have to be upgraded.

So I haven't done anything, as I'm kind of depressed about thinking about 15 grand generators. Heck, bet it would be closer to 20 to run that whole panel.

am thinking of a new panel with a subpanel running key circuits, like the center gaspack, skip the heatpump for the second floor, for sure skip the 4kw hot tub heater, and simply budget my usage to the limits of the 22kw unit. It seems to be the tried and true unit. Though I bet the Kohler is similar; then it gets down to the Ford/Chevy argument of whether you prefer a Kohler 999cc unit vs a Vanguard/Generac 999.

The only other gen I'd consider would be a Kubota diesel. I saw one of those at my prior Kubota dealer and it was a seriously fine looking piece of equipment. Not high value though, just high quality. Actually they appear more industrial/commercial units than residential grade. If I were keeping greenhouses with plants in them going in the dead of winter and used fuel oil for heat, they would be a nice solution. but too big for a house.

Great discussion here. And I think we all care about cost, or more relevantly, getting good value for our money.
sorry to go astray a bit; the OP's interest in a Westinghouse caught my eye and yes it is a good unit.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #176  
Anyhow, before anyone gets any generator, you should really figure out what it really going to cost you when it runs... is it worth $500-$600-possibly thousands per week? Are you prepared to go away on vacation and come home to a multi-hundred possibly multi-thousand dollar fuel bill?

I cringe anytime I hear someone say they aren't concearned with how much something will cost.

If the power goes out when it's really hot or really cold, and it costs me $100-120/Day to run my generator (20kw Generac on NG) it's not that I don't care, but I know it's a lot cheaper than: paying to stay in a hotel, paying to fix broken pipes, paying to clean the basement, and repair water damage, paying medical bills after my wife hurts herself trying to lug a generator and fuel cans because I'm out of town. If she loses her job because she can't work from home (it's all phone and e-mail)...like during an extended outage, it means our family income drops by a huge amount....she makes more than I do. I did the rough math, and two weeks of her salary would have paid for our generator....money well spent.

This is why I always say it really depends on your circumstances, and not what works for anybody else. I have a coworker who's son requires home kidney dialysis while waiting for a transplant....he had to put in a standby generator running off NG to make sure they had power even if he was out of the country (he travels pretty regularly). He said he wasn't going to saddle his wife with a portable generator when she had all other manner of things to worry about when he was traveling....made sense to me.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #177  
Home in Washington has a 400 amp service and the previous owner/builder put in one of those emergency generator 6 circuit panels to cover essentials with a cord to the back porch and used a Honda EM 5000...

It is far from automatic or seamless... it does cover all the essentials... not having propane, diesel or natural gas help me to decide to leave it as-is.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #178  
Are any of you guys with the automatic whole house systems running into trouble with permits?

It can be real touchy here because the setback, noise limits, etc rule out the option for many in the city limits... plus the tax man comes out and my friend now has the privilege of paying another $300 a year in property tax.

No such restrictions on portable gensets with extension cords during an outage.
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #179  
Where is it getting the power for the charger ???
the generators power control is off (has 3 positions, auto,manual and off) when left in off, gen will not start, but it still has incoming power from house to charge battery
 
   / Home Stand By Generators #180  
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When in a black out situation I try not to use appliances like dryer, ac's, pool pumps, hot tubs or any other that really do not have to be run. Depending on the time of the season and temperatures. The less you use the more efficiently your generator will work and less costly. The cost of operating a gen is on how you use it. Just sayin.
After Hurricane Sandy, folks made adjustments for heating and cooking and even clothes washing. But clothes drying became an issue as days went by without grid power.

We have an electric dryer in NH, and that was one of the considerations for a substantial genset. Short outage, not an issue.
 

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