Honda hydrogen car??

   / Honda hydrogen car?? #31  
Dusty said:
GM experimented with hydrogen cars back in the 1960's and produced one using a Corvair as the template for the experiment. Here is a orginization that promoted the use of electric cars. Read what they have to say about GM and the oil companies.


keeping in mind that EV1.org has an axe to grind, GM isn't the only car company that might have an interest in EV tech.

sometimes the conspiracy theorists of the world kill me, the way conspiracists talk makes it seem like the only product made out of petroleum is gasoline and the oil companies only make a profit because they sell that one product.
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #32  
agreed:D
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #33  
Big_Charlie said:
The stuff is also notoriously hard to store and carry around with you. It takes a pretty large very high pressure tank to hold H2 in gaseous form, or a very large, very cold tank to hold it in liquid form. It's also such a small molecule that few materials can hold it without leaking at least a little of it away, and all of the plumbing and valving required to move it around will be well nigh impossible to keep from leaking. Oh yeah...it's also some of the most volatile stuff in the universe, think rocket fuel and the element stars burn in their atomic fusion bellies.

I believe Billings Energy corporation in the 1970s invented a tank that would hold Hydrogen In a liguid form at room temperature. I dont remember the way they did it but basically it soaked into some kind of catalyst or something like that. The also did safety tests on these tanks by filling them full of Hydrogen and shooting incendiary tracer rounds into them. The Postal Service adapted an entire fleet of postal delivery vehicles in one of the towns in Utah I believe it was to burn hydrogen useing the Billings Energy tank. Billings Energy also made a small hydrogen plant for in home use that utilized eloctrolysis. Remember this was all done in the early 1970's. The drawback to the system is exactly what you mentioned Hydrogen is such a small molecule that it takes a lot of it to fill a combustion chamber enough to compress. The postal vehicles had most of the room behind the driver filled with tanks and only had a 75 mile range.


Oh yeah...it's also some of the most volatile stuff in the universe, think rocket fuel and the element stars burn in their atomic fusion bellies.

Isnt this kind of an extreme statement. I dont believe that the temperature and pressure needed to fuse hydrogen atoms together are going to be any danger that most of us are driving our vehicles through any time in the near future.
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #34  
Kick, The real deal is that there is an overarching conspiracy to feed disinformation to conspiracy theorists in order to drive us just plain folks in the direction the top level manipulators want using the easily recognized conspiracy theorists as unwitting dupes.

...and those fleas have smaller fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, and so on ad infinitum.

Pat
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #35  
At work we use compressed natural gas in our forklifts the only problem is that only a few manufactuers that still have that option
the biggggest concern is the compressor station to pump up to 4500 psi for the tanks on the trucks.
I just dont see John Q Homeowner having one at home.

Over seas they have "gas stations" just like our gas stations with the pumps and storage at high presure the raw gas coms off the line in the street. the company we use service our station has engine driven compressors in case there isnt any eletric around the orignal co that built the planr went belly up about a year after we got our plant

tommu56
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #37  
patrick_g said:
Kick, The real deal is that there is an overarching conspiracy to feed disinformation to conspiracy theorists in order to drive us just plain folks in the direction the top level manipulators want using the easily recognized conspiracy theorists as unwitting dupes.

...and those fleas have smaller fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, and so on ad infinitum.

Pat

I'm of the opinion that if someone comes up with a practical, cheap clean new way to make vehicles move, they are going to make Bill Gates look like an Arab Carpet merchant.
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #39  
Kick, There was for a brief time, jubilation among some of us hearing the later disproved claims for cold fusion, primarily for the cheap electricity that could make recycled hydrogen THE primary heat producing fuel. Alas, twern't so.

That would have pushed hydrogen powered transportation toward definite doability.

Pat
 
   / Honda hydrogen car?? #40  
Patrick, there will be jubilation on my part if we free ourselves from the need for foreign oil.

Imagine leaving the Middle Easterners to work out their problems on their own,and all the attendant controversy that will be avoided.
 

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