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   / hours #11  
NewToy said:
I just found it strange, thats all. Never really thought about it much but I just figured an hour was an hour. So the hour meter will never run faster than an hour on the clock? If just puttering around skidding or something you'll register less than an hour on your meter in a timed hour? I guess thats OK, I'd just hate to be clicking them off faster than the clock.
John

John

The tach hour meter will be set to run 1:1 time at some rpm. I believe for tractors that is typically the rpm for the 540 pto speed. Running the tractor at higher rpms will record time at a faster rate than straight clock time. My JD 755 had a tach hour meter. My JD 4310 has an electric hour meter that is not connnected through an oil pressure switch. If the key is on the hour meter is clicking off time. Bad design as is the lights staying on with the key off. Hobbs is a brand name, such as Kleenex, and has become synonymous with electric hour meters.
 
   / hours #12  
dennis5150 said:
Can anyone explain what are low hours and what are high hours on a diesel tractor?
Clearly 800 hours would seem to be low and 3000 would seem to me to be high hours, and the type of work done within those hours are important, whether by a hobby farmer, a rental yard or a landscape contractor, as well as maintenance. Any help in correlating hours to say... miles on a car just to get a basseline idea would be helpful
Thanks
Dennis


This thread comes up often, it's an important facet to consider.

First off, a diesel engine should go about a Billion revolutions with excellent maintenance. Over the road haulers can and do go more, as they have lots of extra filtration and very large oil sumps.

Why did I list revolutions and not hours or miles? Most working or commercial equipment has hour meters that are based on revolutions at a specific rpm. Tractors have that based on the rated PTO speed. My Kubota is at 2600 rpms, but my old Ford is at 1515 rpms. That's why puttering around at low rpms puts hours on slower than watch hours. As Soundguy pointed out, that is exactly what you want in order to give maintenance when it is needed. A side note is that 5000 hours on the Kubota will be the same engine revolutions as 8580 hours on the Ford and is why people talk about the new high rev diesels wearing out faster. But how many of us will hit 5000 hours?

I have a lawn mower with an ignition switch triggered hour meter. My son at 2 years of age was sitting in the seat and flipped the key on. I noticed it two days later as it went from 50 to 100 hours. I don't think the engine needed an oil change at 100 hours, but the clock did. It didn't know that the engine hadn't been started since the 50 hour service. It's a cheap way of giving an indication of use, but not representative of how hard the use was. Counted revolutions does give an indication of how hard the use was.

On hours to car miles. It does not compare and don't even try to think about it. I have an hour meter on my truck. It went 54817 miles in 1369.7 hours or 40.0 miles per hour. Obviously, mostly on the freeway in 5th gear. If empty, that's about 10% throttle, if towing about 20% throttle. To compare, my tractor pulling a big box blade, a 2 bottom plow or the rotary cutter is at about 70% throttle and really working. Then again, the tractor's little engine is heavier than a 350 chev V8. Meaning the tractor is built to take the work and the passenger engine isn't.


If you use a Billion revolutions as the diesel engine life standard for this class of equipment, then you can determine how much life is left. Obviously, 3000 hours on my Kubota is going to leave less life than 3000 hours on the Ford. Assuming identical regular maintenance. As others noted - regular maintenance is much more of an indicator. New filters, clean castings, fresh grease on the zerks are all good things to see. Rusted filters, oil caked castings and busted off zerks are "bad, very bad".

jb
 
   / hours #13  
In a perfect world, I think that it would be best to have both. I would want to see both if I were purchasing a used tractor. Many of the larger CUT owners I have talked to run their machines at half throttle (approx.) in order to same on fuel. They could be doing a lot of non-PTO needed impement work which is harder on the tractor however they are clocking up hours slower. The question is, how many more hours would a machine run at 2500rpm all the time have over a maching run at say 2000rpm all the time if they were both run for 1000 "clock" hours? And which tractor would you rather purchasing if you new this?
 
   / hours #14  
How about the tractors with a digital hour meter, do any of them adjust the hours according to RPM's? Or are the analog types the only ones that compensate for RPM's? I figure with the sophisticated computer controls we have on everything they could make a digital hour meter that would factor in the enging revolutions like the change oil lights on the newer cars.
John
 
   / hours #15  
MrJimi said:
NOT to bump heads with anyone here at all but all the hour meters I am familiar with work off the electrical switch or oil pressure. No RPM thing at all.
Thanks
Jim

ALL my ford's with proofmeters are tach/ hour driven.. etc.

Soundguy
 
   / hours #16  
I don't know if it is still the case, but the engine speed for accumulating an hour on the proofmeter haas varied by manufacturer. For example, Ford used to accumulate hours at 1600 rpm/hour while Deere was 2000 rpm/hour.
 
   / hours #17  
What will be the relevant issue, is what pto rpm is, based on clock hour rpm.. etc.

Soundguy
 
   / hours #18  
Just for grins I checked my durramax. 123241 miles = 4609.6 hours.
Yes I let it idle for long periods of time. (thats what happens when you spoil your black lab, she loves AC and XMradio):D :D
 
   / hours #19  
Soundguy said:
What will be the relevant issue, is what pto rpm is, based on clock hour rpm.. etc.

Soundguy
SoundGuy, Do the tractors with a digital hourmeter also consider engine RPM's as a factor when tabulating hours?:confused:
John
 
   / hours #20  
Couldn't tell you.. .. None of my tractors have digital -anything-. I'm sure it will vary by make and model depending on how the clock is setup, ( pretty much 3 common choices ) either on time, run time, or pto hours.. etc.

Soundguy
 

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