House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance?

   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #51  
Dave,
When you've been talking with the "town" have you spoken with both the zoning department AND the Building Inspection/Permit department. In some towns (like mine) they're separate. The Building Inspector will probably have an input into whether you can re-build using any of the fire-damaged structure - this could help in your argument with the insurance company.

Just a thought.

WVBill
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance?
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Actually, the town has been very helpful in this instance.

Probably because there is a whole new crew in there, different from the ones in 1989.

One of the things they did was to have a meeting with me with both the building inspector and the planning department represented.

They have already sent me a letter saying than no burned, charred, or heat-effected wood can be re-used.
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #53  
Actually, the town has been very helpful in this instance.

Probably because there is a whole new crew in there, different from the ones in 1989.

One of the things they did was to have a meeting with me with both the building inspector and the planning department represented.

They have already sent me a letter saying than no burned, charred, or heat-effected wood can be re-used.

Hot Dog Dave! That is a great letter to have. Is there a lot of the structure that does not fall into this catagory?
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #54  
They have already sent me a letter saying than no burned, charred, or heat-effected wood can be re-used.

Or any heat effected basement either.:D
Bob
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #55  
Yes. Fire can ruin a foundation. The insurance adjuster won't have much room to argue with the local codes people.
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #56  
Yes. Fire can ruin a foundation. The insurance adjuster won't have much room to argue with the local codes people.

That is good. Then, if possible, make a tall basement. I have seen some really nice 10 foot basements that make for great living space.
Bob
 
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A basement presents some challenges. The slab on grade foundation is intact. Both the engineer and I inspected the foundation bolts, and all the ones we could see were intact and not effected by the fire. Insurance won't pay for a new foundation, so a basement would present a real challenge.

A second issue is that the site is very challenging. There is no access for any kind of equipment, not even the smallest Bobcat. There is a "winter creek" between the road and the house. Garage is on road side of creek, house is across the creek with a 30' wooden footbridge to the front door.

Demolition companies are bidding based on hand demolition.

* * * * * * *

The first actual progress started today, and I won a battle with the insurance company.

State Farm wanted the wet debris from the fire (sheetrock goo from water, ashes, charred remnants) removed so their contractor could complete his estimate. I had been talking to demolition and hauling companies to get this done, but yesterday one of the reconstruction contractors I had called to estimate rebuilding costs offered to do the debris removal for $3k, vs the $3200 to $6500 the demolition companies wanted.

Obviously a lowball bid in order to get his foot in the door for the bigger job, but I didn't think it was possible to screw up taking junk to the dump, so I gave him the go ahead. Work actually started today.

Now for the victory over State Farm. They had been contending that I should arrange for the debris removal, and that the cost would come out of my policy limits. I took the position that there were going to have to be two phases of demolition this way, debris removal and then a second phase where the burned structure would be taken down and removed. This would be be more costly than just taking everything down and removing debris all at the same time. While I was willing to do the two stage process, i felt the excess cost involved should be their responsibility and not come out of my policy limits.

Monday I got a fax from the adjustor saying she would not pay the excess cost and if I wanted to do anything else, I could call her boss or make a complaint to the insurance commissioner. So, I called her boss, and asked him the same question she had been refusing to answer: "Where in my policy does it say that State Farm can require that I re-build in less than the most cost-effective manner?"

Well, after a few minutes of conversation he came to believe that he didn't want me to bring that question to the insurance commissioner. Today they caved in and I got a fax saying they would pay the excess cost and it wouldn't come out of my policy limits.
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #58  
And so it begins...

Seriously, I can't think of anyone better or more resourceful than you Dave.

The Insurance company just doesn't know that yet!
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #59  
Dave,

Congratulations on your victory. Hopefully this will be the last battle that you face with State Farm, but from the way it sounds, I'm doubtful. Is there a way to request another adjuster? This one just seems stuck in some fantasy land without any regard to making things right for you. You'd almost think she had something personal against you? Is she friends or related to the Realtor who burned your house down?

Thanks for keeping us updated, your information is valuable to anybody in the future who might have to go through the same thing.

Eddie
 
   / House Burned Up -- Anyone Know about Insurance? #60  
Or any heat effected basement either.:D
Bob

That's one thing I wish there were more of out here. Basements are not common here in Calif. My understanding is that, for one, the foundation does not have to be deep in order to get below the frost line. So there is no structural need for a basement. Two, we typically to not have the boilers etc that would be seen in other parts of the country. So unless it is a custom build, you probably will not see basements out here(even the houses I know of in Truckee and Tahoe, where they get lots of snow and very cold).

I wish our house had a basement; it would be nice when it is 105 degrees in the summer... In addition to a nice expansion of the house.

If we were to move, and build a house, I would definitely want to have a basement built.

My parents house, which they inherited from my Grandfather, has a partial basement(just outside of Sacramento). But, it was an operational part of the chicken ranch; they stored eggs and stuff down there.

Do any other south-western folks know specifics why basements are not prevalent out here?
 

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