House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s???

   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #31  
Single story vs. 2 story: Yes, 2 story is cheaper per sq. ft., but about 50 sq. ft. of that 2 story is wasted stair space. 50 ft. sq. X $150, $7,500 for wasted space.

We have a 2 story, what we always wanted, but our next house will be a single.

One thing to remember, a single will sell to a wider market--There will be people who for whatever reason don't want a 2 story--age, physical condition, etc., but few people will insist on a 2 story when buying an existing home. The only reason that comes to mind to insist on a 2 story is if you need the height for a view. Could be others...
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #32  
Single story vs. 2 story: Yes, 2 story is cheaper per sq. ft., but about 50 sq. ft. of that 2 story is wasted stair space. 50 ft. sq. X $150, $7,500 for wasted space.
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It really is 100 SF or $15,000 since you have to include the first and second floor. One might put in a half bath under the stairs, maybe have a nephew sleeping under the stairs, or a closet wedged in on one or both floors but it is icky space to use.

What people do not count in the cost of a two story house is the added space required to get to floors to fit together. It is very difficult to avoid having a large landing and/or hallways for the second floor which is wasted space. Fitting the first and second floor together is forces design compromises. Room size on one or both floor will change to get the two floors to fit together. Rooms will have to grow in size to fit the floors or maybe shrink but making the rooms smaller can be problematic.

Added costs in a two story house is the siding and cost of construction. How much is it going to cost to put up bricks on two stories? How much to put up siding and/or paint same? What is the long term cost of repainting the two story house vs one story. Does the roof cost more because the shingles have to go up higher? Our roof cost extra because our shingles are longer life and thus weigh more. We were charged the added cost of humping the heavy shingles to the roof deck. That was worth the money long term and it was not but it was an added cost. The cost would have been higher if we had a two story.

The design for the house we live in was at first a two story house. The two story design was more SF for the same number of bedrooms, I think we had at least an extra 500 SF, which we did not want, need or could afford. That extra 500 sf increased the house by a minimum of $50,000. That cost would not cover the added expense of putting up brick on two stories and I think our flooring cost would have been higher as well. Finished colored concrete is pretty danged cheap. For the two story design we wanted the living room open to the second floor to allow more passive heating. The builder was going to charge the same cost per SF for the open space as if there was a floor in that space to cover the added expense of working 18-20 feet off the floor. Even when I modified the design to remove the open space, fitting the two floors added at least 500 extra SF.

Here is an example of a simple design change that drastically increased costs. A two story would double the price.

We have a walk in closet that would really be better if it had an extra foot added in one direction. That added foot would add about 3 SF to the closet so about $300 in added cost. But that added foot to the width of the closet would force other majors rooms to shrink which is simply not possible. That added foot would affect the placement of doors, fireplace and kitchen. The added foot cannot be contained in the current foot print of the house so one exterior wall would have to be moved a foot. To get 3SF would require an extra 55 SF which is at least an extra $5,500. That added space in the closet was not worth the added cost to the house. If the house was a two story, the extra 3 SF would have cost $11,000 since the second floor would have increased in size.

Later,
Dan
 
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   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #33  
I am not sure the one-story versus two-story comparison is so simple. One example is foundation -- you would increase footing/foundation/masonry costs quite a bit if you tried to put the same amount of square footage on one floor instead of split over two. Same goes for roofing, and crawl/attic insulation.

I know when we started dissecting costs, there are some that scale with square footage (like flooring, drywall, siding, trim) regardless of the number of floors, and others that scale with footprint on the ground (like roofing, insulation, masonry, etc). Minimizing footprint for a given square footage, as you would do in a multi-floor, will make those costs a smaller fraction of the overall project. It's always a balance regardless of the number of floors.

As far as fitting stuff in, a good designer/architect can do it while being smart about square footage and not bumping the footprint. If you can take the time to do it the right way, it's a complex puzzle to make it all fit together. Otherwise, if you do it the easy way you may end up increasing overall square footage to accommodate interior changes, or with less-optimal layouts.

Stairs certainly eat up square footage, but there are several stair configurations that minimize the problem. For example, an L staircase with winders will put the upper section high enough that you can use the room underneath (wasting only about 20-24 sq.ft). Split level homes cram the stairs into common areas. And homes that mix one-story and two-story sections often integrate the stairs into transitional areas where they have minimal impact.

We started our design working with architects (my sister-in-law and her husband) and together we came up with a very good floor plan that met all our goals and packed a lot of living space together in an efficient manner. Then we took that floor plan and basic 3D massing to our builder and his designer, and got the outside styling done. To me, that is the best way do design a home. I see other designs where people start with the outside or the styling, and then come up with the floor plan, and it looks haphazard to me.

The other important thing is to think about what rooms matter and how they work together. In our first home we had a formal dining area that only got used 1-2 times a year (holidays with company) and a very nice looking front foyer that was dysfunctional as an entryway for day to day use. Both wasted spaces that were clearly designed for guests and not everyday inhabitants. Laundry room was on the first floor as you came in from the garage, and completely inconvenient to actually doing laundry. First floor bathroom was off the foyer and conspicuous with no privacy.

Our new home deletes the separate formal dining area in favor of an enlarged dining nook in the kitchen, and it ditches the front foyer in favor of a very functional mudroom (with hooks, benches, cubbies) that is a "hub" between the garage, front door, kitchen, backdoor, and downstairs hall. The laundry room is now on the 2nd floor in a central location near where we actually need to process laundry, and the first floor bathroom is out of sight of all downstairs gathering areas. We have accommodated holiday guests just fine without a formal dining room, and nobody seems disappointed when they come in the front door and there's no dedicated foyer there for show. Combined, that was a good chunk of square footage that got allocated to more important rooms.

Overall, I think it's good to have constraints in a project like cost, views, footprints, exposures, and lifestyle requirements. They box you in and direct the design to the point where it starts to come together on its own. In the absence of stuff like that, house design can wander in some crazy directions and becomes haphazard.
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #34  
A couple of suggestions in this area from my experience. We built an oversize garage and put a ramp into the garage. The big advantage here is that if either of you ever need a wheelchair, the common practice is to add one from the front door to either the sidewalk or the driveway. This always looks like an ugly afterthought, because it is. A ramp in the garage is useful for other things at all times(think about a small cart for bringing groceries in), and if you need one it keeps you inside and out of the weather while you get in a car. Plus the appearance of the home remains good. We don't need one yet, but anything is possible.

If you have two stories, another one is to think about now is adding an elevator in the future. All this requires during construction is putting oversize closets directly over each other on each floor, and if the lower floor is concrete, putting in a 12" pit and building back up to grade with a small wooden floor. The cost is $2-3000 at the planning and construction phases, but much higher if it becomes a medical necessity at some future time.
Good point . Then it has snow or ice on it .
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #35  
I like this conversation:thumbsup:

I have found that to minimize construction cost and to minimize wasted or rarely used space - build a ranch style house with primary rooms on main floor, secondary rooms in full basement (guest rooms, entertainment rooms, mechanical etc) and use attic for storage or other secondary rooms.

Attic and basement areas do cost more but on $/sq ft basis are generally very low cost vs expanding the base footprint or adding on full 2nd level.

Also minimize rooms that are/will be rarely used (formal dining room along with kitchen dining location, same for formal living room along with family room etc)

After this look at cost adders and choose items that will be used/visible every day to spend and less on areas not used as often. Also some items could be added later, but others need to be included in initial build - spend extra on initial build to lower long term cost (utilities, maintenance etc)
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #36  
A stair to an upper level is a hallway, it just runs uphill. :) A long ranch needs hall access to the end(s), unless you want to pass through successive rooms. I think the stair-hall wasted space thing is basically a wash.

Hallway usefulness can be improved by making it wide enough to function as something in addition to being a hallway. Hall trees/coat & hat racks, book shelves, hobby display area, gun cabinet, firewood rack, suit of armor, etc.
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #37  
I knew I forgot to mention our hallway used to display all the suits of armor! ;)
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #38  
I wonder if anyone who designed a nice floor plan would care to share a simple draft here in the forum? We've been wrestling with designing a new home for our 110 acres and it's been somewhat of a puzzle. I'm looking for a single floor layout, under 3000 sq ft, with a gameroom and attached garage. It seems most of the plans one can pull up online are cookie-cutter and just don't get me too excited.
 
   / House Construction - Best value and working with a bulder/s??? #40  
We finished our custom home last year. I agree with past comments that in today's housing market, the cost to build does not even come close to buying an existing home. Our build was $142/sq ft NOT including the extra site work. I break that out because if we built the same home on another piece of property without high water table issues, it would have been that number.

What is more difficult to factor is the intangibles that still have value: timeframe, location, getting exactly what you want with the materials you want, willingness to roll up the sleeves and do some/a lot yourself, how fast you need to get in, etc.

Will you be mortgaging the new property? Need to take rates into account and they are on the rise. We managed to get 3.5% for 15 years. 30 years are now in the 4's while my niece got 2.89% a year ago.

Good luck!
 

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