House for my Parents

[Kyle_in_Tex]

They are not supposed to touch, but you get them as close together as you can without them touching. 1/8 of an inch. I'm going to use sanded grout and mix it a little wet so I can get it in there. As for color, it's going to be very dark, but not black.

Eddie

I had to do a doubletake. I thought they were the "plank" type wood products.

 

[EddieWalker]

Thanks. I've installed a few different brands of this type of tile and this is my favorite. Made in the USA too!!!

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

Cabinets came in last week, so I installed them Saturday and got back to installing tile after that. The island will sit on top of the tile, the other base cabinets sit on the slab. We are short one upper cabinet, so when that gets here, I'll do the crown molding then.

Eddie

 

[clemsonfor]

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Cabinets came in last week, so I installed them Saturday and got back to installing tile after that. The island will sit on top of the tile, the other base cabinets sit on the slab. We are short one upper cabinet, so when that gets here, I'll do the crown molding then.

Eddie

What i am about to say, dont take it the wrong way, like he is better or right and your wrong or your right and he wrong type of thing. This is just an observation from a doit yourselfer like myself who watches this stuff with interest and files it away as knowledge for if and when the time comes for this type of work.


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I think i have seen and heard Mike Holmes say that Kitchen cabinets should always be installed over the current or future floor. I am pretty sure i have seen him do it with tiles and not just hardwoods. And like i said am almost positive i have heard him say that. And his reasoning was that if you ever have to take the cabinets out or you replace them your floor will be complete under them,, i know cabinets are standard but you wont have to worry if there i guess 1" shallower on the toe kick or something? Also he points to the dish washer if its not tiled under or floored under you have a lip that makes it difficult to pull out. Which i can see. My floor has luan and vynal over that ontop of the other layers and even that you have to pay attention when the dishwasher is pulled out.

Just curious, Eddie what is your reason behind not tileing under the cabinets? Is it cause this is your home(well parents) and you will do the work that needs to be done? Planning to never change cabinents? Will make sure new ones fit the old footprint to a T. Or saving matierial and time by not doing it, and figure if you need to you will have extra in the attic if needed at a later date?


Again not saying you or he doesent know what he is doing, i have noticed that many professionals have different processes and just want to understand the reasoning so that i can choose which i like best for my self.

There are many things Mike Holmes does that i think is unnecessary and many things i like that he does. There was one that was on repeat this weekend that i had seen. HE said something like minumum code calls for 2x6 for some deck support, so he goes with 2x10!!! WHAT, why not just 2x8 then save the money for the screws that he said was an additional upgrade that he likeed but cost more?

 

[EddieWalker]

I like Mike Holmes, but I've never seen kitchen cabinets installed on top of the tile. I've installed dozens of dish washers and I've never had any problems getting them in or out with tile in front of them, but no tile under them.

Having said that, the island in this house will be tiled first and the cabinets will go on top of the tile there because of the legs and openings that will be a big part of it. The dish washer is going into the island, which is a first for me. I've never put one in there before, and I've never seen it done before. Maybe tile under the dish washer will be better?

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

I like Mike Holmes, but I've never seen kitchen cabinets installed on top of the tile. I've installed dozens of dish washers and I've never had any problems getting them in or out with tile in front of them, but no tile under them.

Having said that, the island in this house will be tiled first and the cabinets will go on top of the tile there because of the legs and openings that will be a big part of it. The dish washer is going into the island, which is a first for me. I've never put one in there before, and I've never seen it done before. Maybe tile under the dish washer will be better?

Eddie

 

[clemsonfor]

At a minimum i think that he does tile under a dishwasher if not under cabinents, but i think i have seen like 80% of his shows, i think i remember a Holmes on Homes specifically (not the new show Holmes Inspection which is running on HGtv as well as I think it was on DIY or is that reverse?) where he tore out cabinets cause they were not on top of the floor. Im sure there was either other sturctural or infrasturucture or bad cabinets in the episode also, i just dont remember?

What about it there was cement board as well as tile ontop of a subfloor then you would have a problem, Maybe that was the issue, it was a remodel and they slapped new counter tops on, new appliances and then board and tile infront of the appliaces and it created a tall lip that made removal more difficult?

 

[J F]

If you can continue the flooring under the dishwasher, it's usually pretty good practice to do so. It doesn't cost much and can save headaches down the road. The few full kitchens I've put in, we did the whole kitchen floor, under cabinets and appliances.

If you order a new dishwasher from a store that does installation, one of their common questions is if there is any flooring difference between the kitchen floor and where the appliance will be installed.

You don't HAVE to install flooring under the d/w, but it's one of those inexpensive things that can save hassles years down the road. jmo

 

[tkappeler]

I remember seeing an article in Fine Homebuilding where they use an appropriate thickness cement backer board, based on finish flooring, under the dishwasher and (if appropriate) refrigerator so that any leaks will not impact the finish flooring directly. They sized it for the 24" wide opening of a dishwasher so it could be removed/replaced if necessary.

I do not know if this was just one contractor's idea or if it is becoming a best practice.

 

[J F]

That sounds like a good idea, I like it.