How is the virus affecting you?

[MossRoad]

Here's a pretty eye-opening story from a local guy that was the first person in our county to contract the virus, and the 3rd in Indiana. He's the president of a local brick company, that, by the way, rehabbed the old power house from the Oliver tractor company and it is now their main office/showroom.

Local coronavirus survivor shares his experience

Watch the video or read the transcript. What I found most compelling was what he said towards the end...

""Ultimately I passed this on to seven different people: nephews, nieces, people that work with me, and also my 5-year-old granddaughter...My granddaughter...I had one interaction with her very quickly, and gave it to her so it's very, very contagious...We had a person on my team who was on a respirator. We had a person on my team who didn't even know he had it," Harwood said.

While everyone is doing better now, his business did take a hit for nine days as people recovered.""

 

[MikePA]

"We had a person on my team who didn't even know he had it," Harwood said.

I think the number of people infected and did not know it or thought it was just the flu, will be the next, big story. It is just now being reported on in NYC. It started with Santa Clara study, which many 'experts' dismissed. When the infection count goes up and the death count does not, the fatality rate drops, the fatality rate that was touted to be so much worse than the flu.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think the number of people infected and did not know it or thought it was just the flu, will be the next, big story. It is just now being reported on in NYC. It started with Santa Clara study, which many 'experts' dismissed. When the infection count goes up and the death count does not, the fatality rate drops, the fatality rate that was touted to be so much worse than the flu.

It already is the next big story, but its not being responsibly reported on because the media is making historic viewership and profits by keeping the virus as scary as possible.
I think the death rate will end up .5%- .2%. Of course no science behind it, just a WAG. And sadly, thats an awful lot of casualties.
Its too juicy and scintillating for the media to pass up on.
Theres a vaccine for the flu, but routinely 25,000-50,000 people continue die every year from it.
Yet here we have a virus we have no vaccine for and its 24/7 news coverage for 3 months and will continue this way.

The flu must be really angry and jealous it doesnt get nearly the publicity of the virus :laughing:

 

[Diggin It]

I think the death rate will end up .5%- .2%.

I say less, possibly much less. Like, add a zero after the decimal point.

 

[Hay Dude]

I say less, possibly much less. Like, add a zero after the decimal point.

Let’s hope so. However, I have little faith in getting the truth now that science is fully politicized.
I probably should have said “ I THINK the mortality rate will be reported to be .5-.2% “.
Please note that for when I get called out for it later :laughing:

 

[Diggin It]

One of the few things I've learned in life is to never trust charts and stats. It's far too easy for them to be manipulated to advance a point of view.

 

[Hay Dude]

One of the few things I've learned in life is to never trust charts and stats. It's far too easy for them to be manipulated to advance a point of view.

The political, budgetary and societal agendas that can be advanced by having a higher “ body count ” are pretty tempting for our news media and certain political groups to resist.

 

[Diggin It]

'If it bleeds, it leads.'

 

[MossRoad]

I say less, possibly much less. Like, add a zero after the decimal point.

One of the few things I've learned in life is to never trust charts and stats. It's far too easy for them to be manipulated to advance a point of view.

For someone that has mentioned many times that you don't watch TV, don't read news, you post a lot of opinions on this topic... based on what? You have nothing to support any opinion either way, yet keep posting them over and over. What are you basing these on?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

One of the few things I've learned in life is to never trust charts and stats. It's far too easy for them to be manipulated to advance a point of view.

Yes, just take a line chart and squish in the x axis, makes it scary to see that Covid line jump straight up. Then stretch it out, and suddenly it looks much better, even if it is the exact same data. It’s all in the presentation.
Had a boss years ago say that, people want pretty charts and pictures, the data is almost irrelevant.

 

[newbury]

For someone that has mentioned many times that you don't watch TV, don't read news, you post a lot of opinions on this topic... based on what? You have nothing to support any opinion either way, yet keep posting them over and over. What are you basing these on?

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Maybe he has a natural ability.

 

[shooterdon]

I have just finished reading about 14 pages of opinions.

Hay Dude and 5030 have it right IMHO (maybe others too, but Hay Dude is thinking logically, seeing the big picture, and has seen through the medical and media BS....and I like 5030 as he is a fellow Michigander, has common sense and drinks Crown Royal)

I am so glad the governors are responsible. Some of them have the balls and common sense to forge ahead. That will put pressure on the ones shutting down for political gain. IT IS NOT ABOUT SAVING LIVES!!!! Cuomo put infected virus patients into nursing homes by Executive order. Think about that....either stupid or wants to get the death count up. He had thousands of empty hospital beds. Now he wants to investigate the nursing homes and blame them.

Those citizens wanting to stay home will think differently when the unemployment and $600/wk top off runs out and it is not renewed. When the jobs are gone....well...it will not be pretty.

Staying at home will not help those who are compromised and will die from this anyway, unless THEY stay quarantined, or until a cure is found. We cannot wait for a cure.

If you have children or grandchildren, think about what we are doing to their future by saving 200,000 lives. Many of them will live in poverty and fear. They will need you home and what is left of your IRA to survive. A few may even hope you die soon so they can "get what they deserve".

Sweden has not needed to do what we are doing and bodies are not lining their streets.

BTW, the next bail out will be for the Blue states that are staying shut down the longest and were already near bankruptcy when this virus came along.

 

[MossRoad]

Yes, just take a line chart and squish in the x axis, makes it scary to see that Covid line jump straight up. Then stretch it out, and suddenly it looks much better, even if it is the exact same data. It’s all in the presentation.
Had a boss years ago say that, people want pretty charts and pictures, the data is almost irrelevant.

That's why I chose these.... they aren't squished.

 

[MossRoad]

I have just finished reading about 14 pages of opinions.

Hay Dude and 5030 have it right IMHO (maybe others too, but Hay Dude is thinking logically, seeing the big picture, and has seen through the medical and media BS....and I like 5030 as he is a fellow Michigander, has common sense and drinks Crown Royal)

I am so glad the governors are responsible. Some of them have the balls and common sense to forge ahead. That will put pressure on the ones shutting down for political gain. IT IS NOT ABOUT SAVING LIVES!!!! Cuomo put infected virus patients into nursing homes by Executive order. Think about that....either stupid or wants to get the death count up. He had thousands of empty hospital beds. Now he wants to investigate the nursing homes and blame them.

Those citizens wanting to stay home will think differently when the unemployment and $600/wk top off runs out and it is not renewed. When the jobs are gone....well...it will not be pretty.

Staying at home will not help those who are compromised and will die from this anyway, unless THEY stay quarantined, or until a cure is found. We cannot wait for a cure.

If you have children or grandchildren, think about what we are doing to their future by saving 200,000 lives. Many of them will live in poverty and fear. They will need you home and what is left of your IRA to survive. A few may even hope you die soon so they can "get what they deserve".

Sweden has not needed to do what we are doing and bodies are not lining their streets.

BTW, the next bail out will be for the Blue states that are staying shut down the longest and were already near bankruptcy when this virus came along.

Once again, I'll remind you that you and a lot of other folks with your opinion on this board aren't out there working every day. Until you're the one taking the risks, stop suggesting others do the work for you to protect your way of life.