Front-End Loader How much can I lift

[tryoung]

On my New Holland 40hp compact, the loader is listed as having a max capacity of 1370lbs at "max height" and 1940lbs at "max height @ pins". Then it lists "breakout force" at max height and at pins. Not sure what this means. I'd like to lift a load that is 1900-2000 lbs. Would this damage the loader? Noticed also that the 3 point lift has a capacity of 2756 lbs. Is there some type of loader attachment for the 3 point lift? Thanks in advance for any help, I'm a little new to the tractor world.

 

[mikehaugen]

i know that they make pallet forks for the rear three point hitch. You won't be able to lift them very high, but they will lift a lot.

 

[k0ua]

On my New Holland 40hp compact, the loader is listed as having a max capacity of 1370lbs at "max height" and 1940lbs at "max height @ pins". Then it lists "breakout force" at max height and at pins. Not sure what this means. I'd like to lift a load that is 1900-2000 lbs. Would this damage the loader? Noticed also that the 3 point lift has a capacity of 2756 lbs. Is there some type of loader attachment for the 3 point lift? Thanks in advance for any help, I'm a little new to the tractor world.

Hello, welcome to TBN. the lift of 1370lbs at max height refers to a more real world ability to lift about 1370 lbs to the maximum height the loader arms will lift. Sometimes that measurement is given as 20 inches or sometimes 500mm forward of the "pins" the "pins" are refereing to the pivot pins that the bucket attaches to the loader arms. Think of it this way, at the pins is your maximum ability to lift weight, and every inch forward your load is is placed from the "pins" that weight must be reduced as it is acting like a lever. Think if you had an 10 foot pole sticking out from the loader, you would not be able to lift 1940lbs that you can lift at the pins now would you? as it is now on the end of a long lever arm. You might only be able to lift 300 to 500 lbs stuck that far out. So the 1370 lbs is a "real world" maybe center of the bucket measurement of lift ability. The "breakout force" is the force you can exert to "breakout" the bucket like for instance a pile of gravel by curling and lifting at the same time near the ground.. Your loader will lift more at the ground than it will at "max height" due to the geometry of the loader arms and linkage. You will probably not be able to lift that 1900 to 2000 lbs in the real world to any appreciable height. It will not damage your loader to try, as the relief valve will open and "relieve" the loader/pressure. There are things to put on your 3pt like a bale spear for instance that would pickup a 2000 lb hay bale if that is what you are trying to pickup. Or there are 3pt forks, that would pickup a 2000 lb load, but you will not be able to pick it very far off of the ground, just a few inches, enough to transport it and set it back down, not 8 foot in the air. (not that you would want to move with a load like that in the air anyway, very dangerous) Tell us more what you are trying to do. But I don't think you are going to move 1 ton loads with your loader on the Boomer. More like 1200 lb loads maybe close to 1400 or so. Keep in mind you will need 3pt ballast near equal to what you are trying to pickup on the other end. You can get away with less by "loading" the rear tires (with fluid)..Check back in and tell us what you are trying to do...

James K0UA

 

[dstig1]

+1 on Koua's response.

That size tractor/loader cannot lift that much. Trying to lift 2000 lbs - You will either just lift the back end (if you don't have enough rear ballast) or it will just go into bypass and sit there, not lifting anything (if you have enough ballast).

Skid steers have much higher lift capacity for their size than tractor loaders do. If you really need to lift that sort of load regularly, you either need a SS or a forklift. Or a MUCH bigger tractor. If the 3pt will work for you, then you are set, but the lift height is pretty limited.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[tryoung]

+1 on Koua's response.

That size tractor/loader cannot lift that much. Trying to lift 2000 lbs - You will either just lift the back end (if you don't have enough rear ballast) or it will just go into bypass and sit there, not lifting anything (if you have enough ballast).

Skid steers have much higher lift capacity for their size than tractor loaders do. If you really need to lift that sort of load regularly, you either need a SS or a forklift. Or a MUCH bigger tractor. If the 3pt will work for you, then you are set, but the lift height is pretty limited.

Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for all the help. Need to move a mortiser (1900-2000 lbs ) off of a low trailer. Would probably need to lift to a total height of 18". Recently unloaded a 1300 lb shaper without difficulty. Sounds like a pallet fork on the 3 point hitch, or some other machine.

 

[dstig1]

Ah - well knowing what you are planning to do helps people help you a lot more. If you can make the height reach with 3pt pallet forks, then you probably have your best bet there. I would recommend extra ballast in the loader (like a bucket full of dirt or gravel) to help stabilize the load better on the 3 pt (less tippy). If that won't do it, then perhaps renting a mid-large bobcat with forks would be the easiest route for a 1-time need like this.

You were probably pushing the FEL limit with the shaper.

 

[Gary Fowler]

You may be able to lift it using the curl function on the FEL, then drive the trailer out from under it. By using the curl function, the FEL will lift more than using the boom before the hydraulic relief kicks in. You need the heaviest counter weight on the rear that you have available. My brother in law has a Boomer 2030? and with a heavy bush hog on the rear, the FEL will just barely lift 1500 pounds and the rear tires are lifting off the ground at the slightest bump while doing it. We had bought 1500# super sack of feed and I took it off the truck with my 7010 LS but I couldnt go inside his barn due to the size of my tractor> We hooked it to the NH and managed to lift it and walk it inside but it was really tippy and only lifted it using the curl.

 

[J_J]

Your loader was probably designed to work on several tractors.

The lift weight at pins will be the max weight with a certain size bucket. The geometry will change as you lift a load and therefore the weight factor will change.

They have also taken into account the safe lifting weight before the tractor tips, and this is with no attachment on the back and just air in the tires.

If you add weight on the back and loaded tires, the potential is there to lift more if you adjust the relief pressure, but you have to know the pumps max pressure.

The frame, axles , wheels also come into play.

If you have the QA, and remove the bucket, you should be able to use a chain and lift more also, as the bucket is removed.

If you install a hyd gage, you can watch the pressure and tell if you might be able to lift a certain load.

 

[TO_Bud]

If there is enough room on the trailer you could back onto it with the tractor and use the 3 pts lift capacity for the job. You would still need 3 pt forks to do so.

Good luck.

 

[MF1433V]

x 2 to this. I have used this before technique and it worked very well. But I was able to move the trailer where I needed the saw I was moving (massive dewalt 20" radial saw). I would not have wanted to drive the tractor anywhere with it. I sounds very dangerous to move 2000lbs with that set up so be very careful if you try it and need to move the tractor with the load.

 

[Cool Hand]

Just caught these posts from a decade ago. These are all the same questions I have. Everyone out here seems very helpful! What a great community. Thank you all for helping answer these questions. Even though I am reading them a decade later...

 

[oosik]

Tryoung - FEL lifting can almost be black magic. For me - hydraulics is a mystic art form. You need to get ahold of your FEL owners manual. If it's like mine - it has loader lift graphs. How far ahead of the pivot pins and how high.

With my M6040 I'm able to lift quite heavy loads. This is because the center of mass ( whatever I'm lifting ) is closer to the pivot pins than the factory stated 24". AND I only lift high enough so the grapple does not leave knuckle drag marks on the ground.

I always lift with the 1550# of Rimguard in the rear tires and my 1000#+ Rhino rear blade on the 3-point. If the tractor starts to feel - "light in the loafers" - I know I'm at or close to the max lift.

For me - an absolute max lift is 3100# to 3200#. I would never have the capability or desire to lift this heavy a load much over 6" off the ground.

 

[newbury]

Tryoung -

Last seen Nov 22, 2014

FEL lifting can almost be black magic. For me - hydraulics is a mystic art form. You need to get ahold of your FEL owners manual. If it's like mine - it has loader lift graphs. How far ahead of the pivot pins and how high.

With my M6040 I'm able to lift quite heavy loads. This is because the center of mass ( whatever I'm lifting ) is closer to the pivot pins than the factory stated 24". AND I only lift high enough so the grapple does not leave knuckle drag marks on the ground.

I always lift with the 1550# of Rimguard in the rear tires and my 1000#+ Rhino rear blade on the 3-point. If the tractor starts to feel - "light in the loafers" - I know I'm at or close to the max lift.

For me - an absolute max lift is 3100# to 3200#. I would never have the capability or desire to lift this heavy a load much over 6" off the ground.

Good points but the OP probably won't see them.

 

[oosik]

My point being - keep the load low and as close in to the lift pins as possible. You can safely lift more in this manner.

If you MUST lift high - split the load into lighter packages.

An example I have. I move chunks ( five foot and ten foot ) of LARGE pine tree trunks around the property. If the average diameter of the trunk is 26" or more - I cut it into a five foot chunk. If it's 26" or less - a ten foot chunk. Keeps the load at a reasonable weight.

 

[Beeenvenue]

Just caught these posts from a decade ago. These are all the same questions I have. Everyone out here seems very helpful! What a great community. Thank you all for helping answer these questions. Even though I am reading them a decade later...

I “lifted” a pallet of material weighing 1680 lbs chained off of the bucket on my kioti ck3510. The bucket weighs 330 lbs. That’s well above what my tractor is supposed to lift, and that was due to the height of the pallet and it being on a trailer my pins were about 8’ above ground.

I didn’t actually lift it, but I did move it enough to drive the Trailer out from under it. It held just fine. Even with a 550# bushog on the 3 pt as ballast (I like the length of it as ballast for the same physics reasons - moment arm) it was a very squirrelly 100 yard ride to the barn.

The only real pucker time was lowering the load. Each slight movement of the joystick and the whole tractor jumped and made me think it was going to go. But remember, that was well above what I was supposed to be doing.