How NOT to Install Dry Cylinder Sleeves

[Baby Grand]

The question I have... Does heating the block make the hole larger...
Rancher

Yes! It makes every part of the block larger.

So should you not use a CO2 fire extinguisher on both the block and sleaves?

Heat the block & chill the sleaves with CO2 extinguisher, or dry ice. Sleaves should drop in or require very little persuasion!

 

[Scooby074]

Sometimes its just better to have SOME budget vs. no budget.

 

[M E Race]

We used to do the liners on Mack engines by filling them with dry ice for about 20 min,then a quick wipe with transmision fluid. They would drop in up to the rim, then a flat board and a good whack with your fist. But make sure you get it right the first time, because once it warms up it is not comming out.

 

[RAYJAY]

We used to do the liners on Mack engines by filling them with dry ice for about 20 min,then a quick wipe with transmision fluid. They would drop in up to the rim, then a flat board and a good whack with your fist. But make sure you get it right the first time, because once it warms up it is not comming out.

just wow i was going to ask looked like a dry entry also a little 10 weight on the block walls should not hurt

 

[90cummins]

I worked in the development lab at GE developing, building and testing the transmission used in the US Armies Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Liquid nitrogen and was used to shrink parts at a temperature of -300 degrees and an oven was used to heat housings to +300 degrees to obtain very tight shrink fits on bearing supports that were mounted in aluminum housings. This was to ensure there was absolutely no possibility of movement when the transmission was operated under high stress with oil sump temperatures approaching 300deg F.
Tapered roller bearing cones & races can be heated or cooled to plus or minus 300 degrees to fit into a bore or on a shaft. Ball bearings can be heated to 300 degrees to install on a shaft, however a ball bearing assembly can be damaged by extreme cooling because internal stresses develop due to unequal shrinking of inner and outer races causing most certain failure.
For installing cylinder liners cooling may be all that’s needed, it depends on how the manufacture designed it. The degree of shrink depends on the application.
Chilling a liner and heating a cylinder block to obtain additional assembly clearance just makes the job easier and it gives you more time to properly install and seat it.
It’s usually a bad thing to get something ½ installed and then resort to force to finish the installation.
Heating and cooling parts allows you to put the blocks of wood and hammers away making assembly very easy with no danger of damaging parts in the process.
One last note is to hold the item being installed captive until it becomes tight otherwise is could creep out of position as the fit comes together.
All parts were clean & dry due to the extreme temperatures.
90cummins

 

[Rford]

I'll have to admit that I had a similar adventure earlier this year. I used dry ice and acetone to freeze the liners but still needed a little extra persuasion via the hammer and 2x6. Tractor's been running just fine....

 

[Rockwood Equipment]

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I understand saving a few $$$ but this is risky at best. Learn to use a freezer and things will be much easier!! I hope these were machined before you installed the pistons!

 

[3Ts]

I've never done cylinder sleeves and had no idea how it was done, but this just didn't seem right. I'd send mine out to be done if I ever needed it. Based on the comments in this thread, this video seems to be the right way to insert sleeves.

Cylinder Sleeve insertion

I'm putting this in here so someone who has no clue can see the right way to do it. So, please comment if there are any errors in this.

 

[KWentling]

I worked in the development lab at GE developing, building and testing the transmission used in the US Armies Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Liquid nitrogen and was used to shrink parts at a temperature of -300 degrees and an oven was used to heat housings to +300 degrees to obtain very tight shrink fits on bearing supports that were mounted in aluminum housings. This was to ensure there was absolutely no possibility of movement when the transmission was operated under high stress with oil sump temperatures approaching 300deg F.
Tapered roller bearing cones & races can be heated or cooled to plus or minus 300 degrees to fit into a bore or on a shaft. Ball bearings can be heated to 300 degrees to install on a shaft, however a ball bearing assembly can be damaged by extreme cooling because internal stresses develop due to unequal shrinking of inner and outer races causing most certain failure.
For installing cylinder liners cooling may be all that’s needed, it depends on how the manufacture designed it. The degree of shrink depends on the application.
Chilling a liner and heating a cylinder block to obtain additional assembly clearance just makes the job easier and it gives you more time to properly install and seat it.
It’s usually a bad thing to get something ½ installed and then resort to force to finish the installation.
Heating and cooling parts allows you to put the blocks of wood and hammers away making assembly very easy with no danger of damaging parts in the process.
One last note is to hold the item being installed captive until it becomes tight otherwise is could creep out of position as the fit comes together.
All parts were clean & dry due to the extreme temperatures.
90cummins

Did you heat bearings to 300 and cool with liquid nitrogen with the bearing manufacturers blessings? I've been to SKF and Timken classes and 250 was max. heating temperature and their heads would explode if you mentioned using liquid nitrogen. We adhered to the 250 heating max but "may" have still used the liquid nitrogen.

 

[90cummins]

You are correct about the (recommended) max of 250 degrees. In testing we operated with an inlet oil temperature of 260 degrees with sump temperatures approaching 300 degrees so engineering heated assemblies to 300 degrees and cooled to -300 degrees. Housings were aluminum and this ensured there would be no movement when temperatures normalized. It also gave us a little more time to get the assembly together. A slip up here could scrap an assembly with such a tight interference fit.
90cummins