Suppose a Cub with that "Mow N' Reverse" technology was being used when he ran over his son. Would you still be so active in voicing your opinions about not disabling that blasted kill switch? I have tried to stay out of that discussion but enough is enough. As I said, the 2166 that is sitting in the shed right now has an expired warranty. I am sick and tired of that kill switch. Why must you continually hijack the thread with your obvious "lawyer puppet" bias against disabling the kill switch? I want the thing disabled. I'm tired of wading through your posts about the issue. Good day sir.
How to disable reverse PTO kill switch?
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ronT
Silver Member
Yes JayC...well said...I also had enough of that Cub rep(poor cub)
I also had a 2000 or 2500 series or both a year or so back(can't remember which now) and had to keep upgrading until I found one that worked right.
It had a metal lever, spring loaded, located underneath on the left side as you sit on the tractor. I just took a nylon tie and tied it up so it could not compress against the kill switch. Problem solved. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Have a great summer.
Ron
I also had a 2000 or 2500 series or both a year or so back(can't remember which now) and had to keep upgrading until I found one that worked right.
It had a metal lever, spring loaded, located underneath on the left side as you sit on the tractor. I just took a nylon tie and tied it up so it could not compress against the kill switch. Problem solved. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Have a great summer.
Ron
Lazy.. CubTech...
At risk of starting this war up again, let me make a few statements.
No one denies that disabling safety devices increases risk. Your example of someone getting hurt is mute. People get hurt with and without them.
Where people have been so bent is your claim that ANY user modification voids warranty. It doesn't. You can work on your own machines. You can change things to your own machine. It is YOUR machine. You can still get it worked on... under warranty even, as long as what you worked on is not the CAUSE of the problem you are getting worked on even if it is a safety device.
I'll go back to my example. So answer this one Lazy.. if I have a tractor that has an obviously bad tire from the factory, but I have disabled the seat switch. Do you still contend that CUB can legally refuse to fix the tire under warranty?
Example number two. I decide I want a cup holder on a model that doesn't have one. So I cut a whole in a fender and fabricate a nice cup holder and weld it in place. If a motor dies then it gets replaced under warranty. You're arguments just don't hold up are just plain illegal to do to customers. They are protected against such refusals. The product is theirs to do with as they choose. They just can't expect to get warranty work for something they caused, everything else is protected by law.
Now keep in mind here, I have NEVER argued that the dealer has the right to deny warranty if the modification CAUSED the problem.
At risk of starting this war up again, let me make a few statements.
No one denies that disabling safety devices increases risk. Your example of someone getting hurt is mute. People get hurt with and without them.
Where people have been so bent is your claim that ANY user modification voids warranty. It doesn't. You can work on your own machines. You can change things to your own machine. It is YOUR machine. You can still get it worked on... under warranty even, as long as what you worked on is not the CAUSE of the problem you are getting worked on even if it is a safety device.
I'll go back to my example. So answer this one Lazy.. if I have a tractor that has an obviously bad tire from the factory, but I have disabled the seat switch. Do you still contend that CUB can legally refuse to fix the tire under warranty?
Example number two. I decide I want a cup holder on a model that doesn't have one. So I cut a whole in a fender and fabricate a nice cup holder and weld it in place. If a motor dies then it gets replaced under warranty. You're arguments just don't hold up are just plain illegal to do to customers. They are protected against such refusals. The product is theirs to do with as they choose. They just can't expect to get warranty work for something they caused, everything else is protected by law.
Now keep in mind here, I have NEVER argued that the dealer has the right to deny warranty if the modification CAUSED the problem.
Spiffy
Veteran Member
Hey guys I'm with you on the facts, but let's go easy on the guy. He's forthright about working for cub, so we can know there may be bias; even though I don't often agree, I think it is valuable to know what CC's stance on things are.
Now a little more tact may be in CC's best interest, but by admitting his position, he may well have "his hands tied".
Now a little more tact may be in CC's best interest, but by admitting his position, he may well have "his hands tied".
Spiffy
Veteran Member
<font color="blue"> Suppose a Cub with that "Mow N' Reverse" technology was being used when he ran over his son. </font>
At the risk of stealing somebody elses signature line:
"Build it foolproof, they'll find a bigger fool!" I stated earlier that a disgruntled operator is the most dangers; outright foolish ones may have my theory beat. Either way, for the sake of respect, I'll the article's situation was pure accident, even beyond operator intelligence or current state of mind.
Gutut, I also agree that unrelated mods should have no bearing on warranty items. I do think, for least headaches, it's easier to know the dealer position before purchase. Most I know are: "don't disable that feature" wink wink.....
At the risk of stealing somebody elses signature line:
"Build it foolproof, they'll find a bigger fool!" I stated earlier that a disgruntled operator is the most dangers; outright foolish ones may have my theory beat. Either way, for the sake of respect, I'll the article's situation was pure accident, even beyond operator intelligence or current state of mind.
Gutut, I also agree that unrelated mods should have no bearing on warranty items. I do think, for least headaches, it's easier to know the dealer position before purchase. Most I know are: "don't disable that feature" wink wink.....
cwarrix
Silver Member
That's a sad story about the kid, I always hate it when kids are hurt. But the fact is the operator hurt the kid, not the tractor or the tractor manufacturer. Are you saying my kids are at risk because I disabled the switch on my tractor? They are much more at risk if I don;t make them where a helmet on their bikes, or allow them to sit in the smoking section of a restaurant, or let them play on the neighbors trampoline... Give me a break!
The switch is worthless. The only thing it did for me was raise my blood pressure. So you kill the blades in reverse, it doesn't stop you from running over a kid. Even without the blades spinning, it would still hurt. What's stopping you from running over somebody while moving forward. The operator needs to have enough brain cells to turn around and look before (and while) backing regardless of the PTO status. I wouldn't back my truck up without looking the direction I'm moving, the whole time I'm in motion. Same with my boat, why is the tractor any different? My boat prop can chew somebody up just as bad as the mower blades, and there is a much better chance of having somebody behind the boat than behind my tractor. Come on isn't this common sense???
Am I the only one that looks behind me while I'm backing up? I don't understand the big deal. I can run over a kid or a dog or whatever while moving forward if I'm not looking... why is it any different in reverse. Am I missing something? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
As for the warrantee issue... No offence, but I really don't care if they can deny a claim or not. Re-enable the switch if you need to take the tractor in for service. My 3240 never needed a warrantee visit so I never had an issue. But if I did need to take it in, I would have just plugged it back in first. I seriously doubt if the dealer would give a hoot whether or not you disabled it. In fact I know of one dealer that disabled the switch for my neighbor.
Just my $.02
PS - Now can we all just get along /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The switch is worthless. The only thing it did for me was raise my blood pressure. So you kill the blades in reverse, it doesn't stop you from running over a kid. Even without the blades spinning, it would still hurt. What's stopping you from running over somebody while moving forward. The operator needs to have enough brain cells to turn around and look before (and while) backing regardless of the PTO status. I wouldn't back my truck up without looking the direction I'm moving, the whole time I'm in motion. Same with my boat, why is the tractor any different? My boat prop can chew somebody up just as bad as the mower blades, and there is a much better chance of having somebody behind the boat than behind my tractor. Come on isn't this common sense???
Am I the only one that looks behind me while I'm backing up? I don't understand the big deal. I can run over a kid or a dog or whatever while moving forward if I'm not looking... why is it any different in reverse. Am I missing something? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
As for the warrantee issue... No offence, but I really don't care if they can deny a claim or not. Re-enable the switch if you need to take the tractor in for service. My 3240 never needed a warrantee visit so I never had an issue. But if I did need to take it in, I would have just plugged it back in first. I seriously doubt if the dealer would give a hoot whether or not you disabled it. In fact I know of one dealer that disabled the switch for my neighbor.
Just my $.02
PS - Now can we all just get along /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Maybe this is a dead issue, but I have to get my 2 cents in. The kill switch on the seat is a safety hazard. When I duck to mow under low-hanging branches, either forward or to either side, my weight comes off the seat switch and the motor dies. So I don't duck as much as I should, and it's more likely that my head will get taken off by a low-hanging branch.
The kill switch on reverse is an efficiency issue. When I have mowed around until I have just a small patch of grass left to mow, the most efficient way to finish it is to mow back and forth. There's no safety issue here: I have an acre lot, with no children living here, and no children are going to run onto that lot without my knowing it. I have been mowing in reverse with an old Sears tractor for years and have lived to a fairly old age without incident. Fortunately or unfortunately, I outlived the Sears tractor.
As for buying a tractor with the reverse-mowing feature, the only tractors on the cubcadet.com site with that "feature" are the 1500 series economy line. That tells me that it's not a real feature, it's the omission of a safety feature, and to get that "feature" I would have to give up the real quality factors in their higher-price lines. That, I do not want to do.
The kill switch on reverse is an efficiency issue. When I have mowed around until I have just a small patch of grass left to mow, the most efficient way to finish it is to mow back and forth. There's no safety issue here: I have an acre lot, with no children living here, and no children are going to run onto that lot without my knowing it. I have been mowing in reverse with an old Sears tractor for years and have lived to a fairly old age without incident. Fortunately or unfortunately, I outlived the Sears tractor.
As for buying a tractor with the reverse-mowing feature, the only tractors on the cubcadet.com site with that "feature" are the 1500 series economy line. That tells me that it's not a real feature, it's the omission of a safety feature, and to get that "feature" I would have to give up the real quality factors in their higher-price lines. That, I do not want to do.
Bob_Bainbridge
Platinum Member
I may be mistaken but I believe that all the lines - at least up to the 3000 - have the Reverse Mow Feature. It's not just the elimination of the safety feature since it's still installed on the tractor. You just have to switch the key to the Reverse Mow position and then the safety switch will be disabled until the next time the tractor is started.
Bob B.
Bob B.
