how to get better stability?

   / how to get better stability?
  • Thread Starter
#11  
I put duals on mine for floatation on the beach but the added benefit was it is incredibly stable. I never really appreciated how stable it was as I put them on as soon as I got the tractor until I spent some time without them.
Last winter I put a few hundred hours on a larger(L48) tractor and even with the rear tires filled and set to their widest it was not near as stable as my little l2800.
I will be doing a bunch of logging with the L48 this next winter and will for sure put duals on the rear and probably on the front too for the mud.
Rick

HA someONE did the dulies!

Thanks for that and all the above advise.

I beleive I have a wider set of rear ag tires; than the narrower rice tires; the rears are set at there widest stance ...

yes i do need to get more familiar with the tractor and its limits; and learn not to not push the limits; but I was being carefull when i got a scare ... It does have ROP bit I never want to have to rely on it ...

wheel balast does seem to make sense ...

thanks all; gives me lots to consider
 
   / how to get better stability? #12  
HA someONE did the dulies!

Thanks for that and all the above advise.

I beleive I have a wider set of rear ag tires; than the narrower rice tires; the rears are set at there widest stance ...

yes i do need to get more familiar with the tractor and its limits; and learn not to not push the limits; but I was being carefull when i got a scare ... It does have ROP bit I never want to have to rely on it ...

wheel balast does seem to make sense ...

thanks all; gives me lots to consider

I'll second the vote for duels. It's unbelievable the amount stability it adds.
 
   / how to get better stability? #13  
Here is an idea i saw at one of my local state parks. They had a 5000 series JD and used about 5-6 wheel weights on the up-hill side of the tractor. Drove it on a pretty sloped area with the weights up hill and it did not even look tippy. This was a pretty good idea so they could flail a new trail through a meadow and since it is wheel weights, they wouldnt put excess stress on the axle, just the rim and the tire which would have to have proper pressurization. I got a few ideas, but this is probably the easiest because my tractor has the same problem. :)
 
   / how to get better stability?
  • Thread Starter
#14  
good suggestions;

Ideally I'd have front dulies with wheel weights ft & back; but am still concerned with the ft wheel bearings.

Or the other consideration is getting front turf tires that are wider.

also Im tempted to block the floating ft 4WD axel so It has less side to side sway.

Cost is a consideration in all this.

Cheers Dave
 
   / how to get better stability? #15  
I don't think it's a good idea to completely block the front axle movement. My International has a LOT of axle movement, by design, clearly, but it's a lot more than the Yanmars I own have. Were I working in some of the terrain I've seen, I would back the stops out a little bit, to more like what my Yanmars have. I'll make up a number and guess 15 degrees, rather than the 25 or so it seems mine will achieve.

If you have no articulation in the axle, everything you hit will be tipping your machine over. If the rear of the tractor is on some obstacle, the hinged front axle will let the machine flop; my International will flop further than the operator could stay in the seat. I don't think that's true of my Yanmars.

A major problem I see is the idea of "finding the limits" of the machine. Statically, the tractor will tip much farther than any operator should be comfortable sitting. When moving, the forces are so incalculable that I don't see how an operator could find the limits without reaching them. Reaching the limit on a slow steering, no reserve acceleration or power tractor is going to mean a rollover.

The cheapest thing to do is move the rear hubs out as far as they will go. Set up your rear wheels so that they are spaced to maximum. This will also help the most. Then, change what you're doing that makes things risky. As was suggested, don't skid logs with the loader. I've seen people who have built small logging arches for the three point hitch on little tractors. This seems to give them much more capability, safer operating conditions, and less abuse on the tractor.

Then, fill your tires with your choice of liquid ballast. If you don't like calcium (I don't like the idea either, and don't use it), try windshield washer fluid or beet juice, sometimes sold under the brand name "Rimguard." If you can, buy or make cast wheel weights. If you can't safely do your job with those three changes, and still have a reasonable safety margin, then you'll have to do something to change the operating conditions. That may mean a different tractor, or spending a few days cutting better access routes where sideways operations aren't as prevalent, or whatever.
 
   / how to get better stability? #16  
Where can you get spools or spacers for the rear wheels on ym1500 yanmar?
 
   / how to get better stability? #17  
I built my dual wheel spools, and some others here have done that as well.
 
   / how to get better stability?
  • Thread Starter
#19  
did my fronts myself and got the rears from unverferth.com
Rick

:thumbsup:

nice job on your dullies;:cool:

... SOOOOO ...

how-d ya make the front dullies?;

and could you post some pics of your setup? (i am squinting at your avaitar but cant see the details ....lol.
 
   / how to get better stability? #20  
Some things that I did to make my Yanmar more stable on side hills.
I have filled the rear tires w/ beet juice. It helped. I also found it helped the Yanmar to put a little dirt in the loader and run it real low to the ground when mowing. Conversely, when using the loader on hills, I found it helps the stability to attach the mower and raise it just off the ground, just for some low slung weight. (makes maneuvering around much harder, but does make steering a bit easier when the bucket is full).
In the end I have given up mowing with my Yanmar because it still has stability issues on my significant side hills. I use my old Ferguson TO35 for mowing instead. On hills where the Yanmar scares the bejesus out of me, the much wider tread width of Fergy doesn't even cause me to raise an eyebrow.
 

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