How to keep 3 point from rising

[marq]

Have a JD2210 (class 1 3-point) and just picked up a Agri Fab lawn sweeper. I have a draw bar accross the lower arms that I attach the sweeper to.

The sweeper has a huge grass catcher. When it is half full the weight will start to lift up on the 3-point and the sweeper will not function.

How do I keep that 3-point down?

I cant attach the sweeper to the chassis, where I have a ball mounted, as the tounge on the sweeper is not long enough and would hit the tires in a turn. That was the problem I had when I picked up a lawn cart which led to the draw bar.

 

[greg_g]

Disable draft control (or whatever JD calls it on sub-compacts).

//greg//

 

[gwdixon]

Can you chain the 3PH drawbar to the drawbar on the tractor? Or you could run a chain from the top link attachment point to the tractor's drawbar. I'm not familiar about how your tractor's 3PH is set up.

That is what most people do to keep the 3PH from lifting up. Just be careful not to try to lift the 3PH while it is chained. :duh:

 

[Baby Grand]

Try what gwdixon described, like this:

 

[Zebrafive]

Try what gwdixon described, like this:
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What is the red pear shaped chain holder called? (so I can get one:thumbsup

 

[smstonypoint]

What is the red pear shaped chain holder called? (so I can get one:thumbsup

A clevis.

Steve

 

[TerryR]

I don't think so. I've always thought a clevis looked like this, which is what all the websites I can find also show:



I find the pear-shaped link called a grab link on several websites.

Terry

 

[k0ua]

It is called a chain saddle grab link

Chain Saddle Grab Link - Amazon.com

 

[Ken45101]

What is the red pear shaped chain holder called? (so I can get one:thumbsup

Truck N Tow or AW Direct sell them.

 

[Ken45101]

Try what gwdixon described, like this:
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Wow, I would not try something like that, it looks like an opportunity to break something!

IMO, you should not need something like that, the 3pt should not move on it's own if draft control is turned off.

 

[RalphVa]

Follow Ken45101's advice. Just don't move the 3ph control (jack shaft) while your attachment is connected to it. It won't go up on its own. What others are saying to use is totally unsafe. The chain could break and whip back and kill you. My father once tried to pull our car with a chain on the drawbar. Chain broke and whipped back over the hood of the car. Didn't quite reach the windshield.

Ralph

 

[TerryR]

IMO, you should not need something like that, the 3pt should not move on it's own if draft control is turned off.

Why not? Also, what small cuts have draft control? My JD 870 doesn't, and I'd guess his 2210 doesn't either.

Just don't move the 3ph control (jack shaft) while your attachment is connected to it. It won't go up on its own.

Sure it will.

On my 870 nothing holds the 3ph down. I lift the arms by hand all the time to hook up to implements. I'm sure many other models are the same.

Terry

 

[gwdixon]

Wow, I would not try something like that, it looks like an opportunity to break something!

IMO, you should not need something like that, the 3pt should not move on it's own if draft control is turned off.

Should or not, there is no hydraulic down pressure on a 3PH. You can lift it yourself if you don't believe it.

The problem comes with a trailer that is loaded improperly or the load shifts to the rear causing the tongue weight to be negative. The trailer tongue and 3PH will tilt up no matter where the draft control is. Granted, the draft control should be disabled to keep the 3PH from lifting automatically.

To the Safety Police: keep your hands off the 3PH lift lever and everything will be fine (as stated in an earlier post). Even then, the hydraulic pump will likely go into relief if 3/8" chain is used and somehow lift is applied. 5/16" chain will work on smaller tractors. The chain won't snap, nobody is going to get killed. This procedure has been used for the purpose ever since the 3PH was invented.

 

[Ken45101]

On my 870 nothing holds the 3ph down. I lift the arms by hand all the time to hook up to implements. I'm sure many other models are the same.

Terry

You just contradicted yourself. WEIGHT holds it down.

Chaining down a 3pt is toying with the old "immoveable mass vs. the irrestable force". The weakest link will give. Hopefully that is the hydraulic bypass value. But if something else is weaker in the entire system, it will bend or break.

Now if the problem is a shift of weight lifting the trailer tongue, well I would correct that by keeping more weight forward. Perhaps adding weight to the trailer tongue or rebalancing the trailer. Or by finding a way to attach it to the drawbar where it properly belongs.

I just would not try a contest between the 3pt and a fixed point on the tractor.

 

[Cbrown9064]

I'm with Ken here...fix the problem. It sounds like the tongue on the sweeper is going up when it is full. Fix that issue not create another by chaining down the arms.

I am not familiar with these new cuts, but don't they have a proper drawbar that can be extended? My old 861 Ford drawbar can be pulled way out (to the point of getting in the way of the 3 point) if I want. Is there such an accessory for your tractor? If not why not extend the tongue on the sweeper to hook up to you chassis?

 

[TerryR]

You just contradicted yourself. WEIGHT holds it down.

What??? Weight doesn't hold it down when the trailer or implement is lifting it up, which is what the issue the OP stated at the top of this thread. Nor when you are backing up and something stops the wheels on what you are towing and it tries to rear up.

I agree it's better to connect to the drawbar if your tractor has one. But what if it doesn't?

 

[LD1]

Another vote for chaining to the drawbar.

Its not always about just correcting the issue with weight, sometimes the issue just cannot be corrected.

Having to do a quick brake, will cause the 3PH to rise up sometimes EVEN if there positive tongue weight. Cause as it raises, the hitch comes forward. When stopping in a hurry, momentum going forward can sometimes overcome the weight pushing down. And then you have a trailer hitch coming forward and up toward the operator.....NOT GOOD.

My car trailer empty has almsot no tongue weight. (actually only about 100#) It dont take much to make it raise.

Varying terrain can also cause unexpected results.

I agree, just chain it down. Been done millions of times for many decades. And been talked about on here endlessly everytime someone mentions towing a trailer with the 3PH.

 

[TomSeller]

Don't these SCUTs have a fixed drawbar to use for towing? It would seem less involved and safer. You'd give up some flexibility, but it would be cheaper and safer than what I am seeing. I always tow from the fixed drawbar for fear of a backflip.

 

[Arc weld]

Have none of you guys ever seen the stay bars that go from the top link mount to the lift arm ends? They're as common as a pocket on a shirt with the 3 pt. mounted draw bar. You can even adjust them for the draw bar height you want. Take another look in the farm store and they should almost be right next to the draw bars.

 

[bcp]

Have none of you guys ever seen the stay bars that go from the top link mount to the lift arm ends? They're as common as a pocket on a shirt with the 3 pt. mounted draw bar. You can even adjust them for the draw bar height you want. Take another look in the farm store and they should almost be right next to the draw bars.

Found photo here:
3 Point Hitch Catagory