How's An Ignition Switch Work?

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Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

Looking a little closer at the schematic, the switch case is grounded. The GT series has the seat ground wire to the switch.
However, from the switch operation box, it appears that in the start position the only connection is from the B (battery) to the S (starter) which would imply that ground at the switch is not needed to start. Hmmm?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / How's An Ignition Switch Work? #12  
Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

Check the blue wire for continuity from the flywheel (magneto located under the flywheel) to the ignition switch. The switch itself could be lacking a proper ground and/or the terminal on the rear of the switch could have corrosion on it and not be making proper contact. Since you have the problem with the new switch as with the old switch, I would reinstall the old switch so you know that it is correct for your application. You could also verify the new with the old by comparing the markings on the fiber board backing where the terminals come out of the switch. I would hate to think that you have compounded the problem with a wrong switch. If the old switch were defective and the new switch doesn't have the identical contact connections, this alone could be the problem. Never assume that a electrical product is the same because the external view is identical. The internals could be entirely different. If you have the wrong switch and have disposed of the old switch, then take the wiring schematic to a lawn mower shop. They can look up the proper part number and get it for you. Don't expect that they will have it in stock, because there are many different switch's and it isn't practical to stock them all. Depending on the popularity of the switch, it can cost between $6.00 and $26.00!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I would simplify the entire testing procedure by removing the blue wire from the wire terminal end and grounding it directly. This can be done by using a very small flat bladed screwdriver to release the tang on the terminal in the plastic connector, or you could just use a piece of wire and "shove" it into the back of the terminal connector and touching the other end to the ground. Bare about 1" of wire at each end of the test wire for this beforehand for this operation. If the engine shuts down when you touch this wire to ground, it indicates a defective switch. If it doesn't, then it is a defective wire from the switch to the magneto. If it is the wire from the switch to the magneto, it will be quicker to just install a new wire bypassing the defective wire since this defective wire is bundled into the wire harness. If you find a break near the magneto, then splice, solder the connection and tape or shrink wrap the repair.
 
   / How's An Ignition Switch Work? #13  
Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Also there should be a ground wire to the switch. </font>
I 'think' this (grounding the switch) is working because when I tried to start the tractor when the switch was not mounted in the 'dash', nothing happened. )</font>

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif The switch case is grounded and there should be a "star" washer between the switch and the dash board that "bites the metal" of the switch and the dash. Many times this washer is missing. It is available at most hardware stores as a "internal/external" star washer.
 
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Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

<font color="blue"> The switch case is grounded and there should be a "star" washer between the switch and the dash board that "bites the metal" of the switch and the dash. Many times this washer is missing. It is available at most hardware stores as a "internal/external" star washer. </font>
Yep, both the new switch and the old had one. The switch must be grounded OK since the tractor starts fine.
 
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<font color="blue"> I would hate to think that you have compounded the problem with a wrong switch. </font>
I took the Service Manual for the tractor to the dealer and showed them the exploded parts diagram as well as the part number for the switch.
 
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Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

<font color="blue">I would simplify the entire testing procedure by removing the blue wire from the wire terminal end and grounding it directly. This can be done by using a very small flat bladed screwdriver to release the tang on the terminal in the plastic connector, or you could just use a piece of wire and "shove" it into the back of the terminal connector and touching the other end to the ground. Bare about 1" of wire at each end of the test wire for this beforehand for this operation. If the engine shuts down when you touch this wire to ground, it indicates a defective switch. If it doesn't, then it is a defective wire from the switch to the magneto. If it is the wire from the switch to the magneto, it will be quicker to just install a new wire bypassing the defective wire since this defective wire is bundled into the wire harness. If you find a break near the magneto, then splice, solder the connection and tape or shrink wrap the repair. </font>
I've printed this out and will try this when I get home from work. Thanks!
 
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Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

Got home from work and when I opened the hood to check the oil before cutting the grass, I noticed a black wire with a small, female spade connector. The wire was on top of the engine, near the throttle cable. Nearby was a male spade connector. So, I connected them. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif The engine now stops when the ignition switch is turned to Off. My guess is that my wife got a little too close to a hedge and a branch 'reached' in and pulled this wire off. The way the wire was positioned, this could happen when the tractor was moving forward. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif It was a black wire, so I assume it was a ground and I think it was to the magneto? Not sure, but the important thing is we don't have to use the choke to kill the engine. Next step is to change the oil. Thanks to all for your input!
 
   / How's An Ignition Switch Work? #18  
Re: How\'s An Ignition Switch Work?

Check the tension of the connection and if it is loose, you could probably give it a little tweaking with a pair of needle nose pliers. Should have asked this question before purchasing the new ignition switch.
 
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It's nice to see the forum come thru!

Soundguy
 
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<font color="blue"> Should have asked this question before purchasing the new ignition switch.</font>
Yep, should have. The 20 year old original switch was so corroded, it looked like the 'obvious' problem. Even though the old switch looked bad, it was still working. So, what something looked like on the surface didn't represent what was going on inside. By digging into the problem, with the assistance of the fine folks on TBN, I learned what was going on beneath the surface. The external appearance led to one conclusion, which was incorrect. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

A $20.00 'Live and Learn' lesson. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 

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