Hurricane Harvey

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   / Hurricane Harvey #161  
If you spent less time praying to some fictional sky guy and more time dealing with the real world, life might be easier. While the rest of the country makes realistic preparations for disasters, southerners seem to think chanting mystical slogans is going to save them. Houston is the poster child for urban sprawl. It's over 600 square miles, much of it concrete, buildings or pavement. They have some bayous to dispose of flood water, and as a backup plan the freeways are supposed to turn into rivers, but that's the extent of their flood planning. That's why nobody wanted people evacuating Houston. Hundreds of thousands of people would have drowned when the freeways turned into rivers. You are quite correct that Louisiana is even stupider than Texas. They didn't even have a statewide building code until after Katrina. However, engineers have been telling Houston to tighten up its flood control and flood codes for decades, and developers have blocked it because it would cost them money. Of course, people who build in flood plains don't care what happens to the property after they sell it, they just want the most money they can scam people out of. Just like Katrina and Sandy, the taxpayer will get stuck with the bill for Texan lack of responsibility. I'm all for disaster relief loans, as long as people have to pay the money back. Maybe you forgot about the grifters in NOLA who scammed FEMA for over a million dollars apiece for nothing? It won't take a week for crooks to come crawling out of the pond slime. Disaster relief loans should be the same as student loans; not even bankruptcy can get you out from under them. You want to remodel your house on the federal dime? That's going to cost you two nickels.
Would you advocate evacuation of all 9 San Francisco counties today and demand they relocate from earth quake zone, only 20 million people. It's going to happen.....
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #162  
The issue isn't FEMA expenditures, it's whether the NFIP premiums are subsidized. A debt of $24.6B even before Harvey indicates the NFIP premiums are being subsidized. Steve
Don't really have any hard data, but it's an educated guess. My bet is fema doesn't know and couldn't answer that question.
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #163  
Don't really have any hard data, but it's an educated guess. My bet is fema doesn't know and couldn't answer that question.

I edited my post after you responded -- FEMA can answer that question.


"Federal Emergency Management Agency data shows that from 1978 through 2015, 3.8 percent of flood insurance policyholders have filed repetitively for losses that account for a disproportionate 35.5 percent of flood loss claims and 30.5 percent of claim payments, .......... Most of these properties were grandfathered in before the NFIP issued its flood insurance rate maps. The NFIP is not permitted to refuse them insurance or charge them rates based on the actual risks they face."

Hurricane Harvey and the National Flood Insurance Fiasco - Hit & Run : Reason.com


Steve
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #164  
I edited my post after you responded -- FEMA can answer that question. "Federal Emergency Management Agency data shows that from 1978 through 2015, 3.8 percent of flood insurance policyholders have filed repetitively for losses that account for a disproportionate 35.5 percent of flood loss claims and 30.5 percent of claim payments, .......... Most of these properties were grandfathered in before the NFIP issued its flood insurance rate maps. The NFIP is not permitted to refuse them insurance or charge them rates based on the actual risks they face." Hurricane Harvey and the National Flood Insurance Fiasco - Hit & Run : Reason.com Steve
How much money from flood policy holders premiums have been collected over last ten years, how much has been payout to those policyholders, for reconstruction of their homes over ten years.
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #165  
If you spent less time praying to some fictional sky guy and more time dealing with the real world, life might be easier. While the rest of the country makes realistic preparations for disasters, southerners seem to think chanting mystical slogans is going to save them. Houston is the poster child for urban sprawl. It's over 600 square miles, much of it concrete, buildings or pavement. They have some bayous to dispose of flood water, and as a backup plan the freeways are supposed to turn into rivers, but that's the extent of their flood planning. That's why nobody wanted people evacuating Houston. Hundreds of thousands of people would have drowned when the freeways turned into rivers.

You are quite correct that Louisiana is even stupider than Texas. They didn't even have a statewide building code until after Katrina. However, engineers have been telling Houston to tighten up its flood control and flood codes for decades, and developers have blocked it because it would cost them money. Of course, people who build in flood plains don't care what happens to the property after they sell it, they just want the most money they can scam people out of. Just like Katrina and Sandy, the taxpayer will get stuck with the bill for Texan lack of responsibility.

I'm all for disaster relief loans, as long as people have to pay the money back. Maybe you forgot about the grifters in NOLA who scammed FEMA for over a million dollars apiece for nothing? It won't take a week for crooks to come crawling out of the pond slime. Disaster relief loans should be the same as student loans; not even bankruptcy can get you out from under them. You want to remodel your house on the federal dime? That's going to cost you two nickels.

It's easy to Monday morning quarterback from an area that does not experience these events. You come at this with no frame of reference and apparently don't care to learn.

How did they fare in the enlightened northeast during Sandy? Because only the south has concrete and urban sprawl, they were much less impacted, right? Oops. What about S.C. And Matthew? Zoning in that area is very strict. Both had significant problems.

Perhaps you need to set aside your hate, and try a little tolerance or compassion.
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #166  
Yes, the feds pick up the tab for a large majority of flood insurance premiums. They were going to phase them out but then homeowners found out their flood insurance was going to cost more than their mortgage payment and pitched a fit. Congress decided to continue the subsidy.
Larry you come from a State thats subsidized, you produce a cheese. I like tillamok but Wensleydale is better. Really. You want the next plastics facility built next to you? Most the aviation fuel comes from Shell on the Houston Ship channel, been on a plane lately, it was powered by fuel made in Houston by people you are watching lose their home! Well let's get started, building a plant in Oregon. Houston people make your life possible. Without Houston no one gets a drop of oil from the ground anywhere in to world. Your life, you business revolve around the chemicals produced there and in Texas city. Exxon Baytown is 20% of the gas in the country, yes one in every five gallons you use comes from there... Want a plant like that next to you? Well, pipe down, you are a none producer of much of anything useful. You couldn't shampoo your hair this morning without those people. Wake up.
 
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   / Hurricane Harvey #167  
How much money from flood policy holders premiums have been collected over last ten years, how much has been payout to those policyholders, for reconstruction of their homes over ten years.

If payouts exceed premiums, the difference is borrowed from the Treasury. The red line in the figure below shows the annual deficits through 2015.

NFIP-debt.png


Steve
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #168  
Don't worry, the clinton foundation will step up to the plate! NOT.

mark
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #169  
If payouts exceed premiums, the difference is borrowed from the Treasury. The red line in the figure below shows the annual deficits through 2015. <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=520165"/> Steve
Looks like a good program to me... Like to see a graph like that for taxpayers.
 
   / Hurricane Harvey #170  
Larry you come from a State thats subsidized, you produce a cheese. Really.

He lives in a state that does not experience these events, and is prejudiced against an entire region of the country. No amount of facts can open his mind. It's a hard life being filled with that amount of ignorance and hate. He is lashing out as projection. How he envisions southerners is actually who he is.
 
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