Hydrofracing

[Bird]

Shooting may also refer to the perforating guns used to make holes in the downhole casing

Yep, I remember that, too. My Dad used to work for a company called Johnston Testers in Oklahoma and an uncle was with Lane-Wells for most of his life. I believe Lane-Wells was bought out by Halliburton.

 

[murphy1244]

Halliburton, Now there's a name you can trust.:laughing:

 

[Bird]

Halliburton, Now there's a name you can trust.:laughing:

Well, you probably have about the same opinion of the current Halliburton that I do.:laughing:

 

[Bob77064]

Egon, very interesting video thanks for posting.

 

[murphy1244]

I have a friend of mine that lost his well from a new drill job. Cost him 15000.00 to put in a cistern.He could turn on his water and lite it like my cherry bomb torch. WOW!!!

 

[jonyyuma]

Well, you probably have about the same opinion of the current Halliburton that I do.:laughing:

Well that would be putting it mildly, wouldn't it???50 years ago they could not horizonal bore, much less up under your property. I have nothing againest natural gas, But I will need good clean water to drink the rest of my life. If it takes thousands of gallons of water to one shot,,,Then. The water I see is ruined, you would die before the first swallow..The AIR ain't too good close to the reclaim center either...Hundred s of trucks of water coming and leaving around the clock...If they propose a reclaim LAGOON temporarily around you I hope you get Millions of dollars as you are going to want it later..

 

[jwnge]

I remember Haliburton coming to frack a well when I was in High school in Kentucky, 1964. They brought 2 tankers and a huge pump truck, it had a allison aircraft engine that ran the pump. The engine was covered with 2 hinged covers and when they started the engine it blew the covers open. Open exaust, very loud. They hooked the hoses to a well head and pumped the chemicals into it. The wells there hardly went deeper than 500 or 600 ft. I remember the ground shaking after they pumped for a while. It was mostly sandrock in that area and several months later while rabbit hunting we stopped at a spring where a barrel had been burried many years prior to get a drink, the water was very salty and stinky but not with the crude oil look. Always before this water was as good as you could find taste wise. Not sure if it was the fracking but I suspect it was.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

Boy I need my boots. It's getting deep in this thread.

 

[Tollster]

Can you imagine how much money the oil companies will pay to have a judge overturn this 110 year court ruling that shale is a mineral.

Court Ruling Could Upend Drilling Leases Across Pennsylvania | StateImpact Pennsylvania

Here is your well educated hard working out of state fracker, hard at it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815261/posts

If anyone here is undecided on which side of the fence they sit, at the very least get informed, you cannot find facts on forums as there are pros and cons to every story. Facts are backed up with supporting references. Therefore ,I urge anyone who has fracking taking place nearby,or knows it will be at their doorsteps in the future to listen to this news radio program. I feel it is nonbias, and speaks of how it has gotten to be so popular here is Pennsylvania.
Its a good listen, kick back and relax.

[http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=440

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Tollster - you correctly advocate learning the facts, but persist in citing This American Life as if it is some authoritative scientific journal.

I listen to it and would categorize it mostly in the realm of entertainment. Kind of a counterpoint to Rush Limbaugh.

In the realm of getting educated and whether shale is a mineral, it is. Sand is also. Lots of imprecise reporting in the press on the issue before the courts is misleading.

What is NOT being decided in the courts is whether shale is a mineral.

What IS being decided in the courts is whether the parties to various deeds in PA intended to include the hydrocarbon component of shale in the reservation or conveyance of "minerals" when the ownership of "minerals" was severed from the surface. In other words, when the 1889 deed says it conveys "minerals", did the parties to that deed intend to convey the gas and oil in the shale formations?

This article by lawyers say it better than I can:
http://www.martindale.com/members/A...&id=1358598&filename=asr-1358638.Industry.pdf

 

[ljohnson778]

You people kill me... I want to fill my suv, heat my house, cook my food... But don't drill around me!! Oh yeah, I wanna throw out my garbage, but NO landfills in my backyard! Put those nasty criminals in jail, but don't build that jail in my neighborhood!

 

[lockhaven]

On three different occasions in the past year my neighbors have chased gas workers off my place. If they see no vehicles they will just come on in and take what they can.
They take more from the local economy then they bring in. They are housed in the city's and run their land destruction in the rural areas. The local economy is people wanting to get away from noise and traffic by camping hunting fishing hiking biking snow mobiles. All this has been reduced because they are going elsewhere. No one wants to have large trucks running night and day or be run off the road while driving. Hiking trails cut off with gas roads and pipe lines.
As to the claim that wells are not polluted, I had mine checked because it is the only way I have a claim if it goes bad. The company doing the checking told me that about 10% of the wells in a drilling area will be contaminated. Now before the "Drilling and Pipe lines are wonderful" crowd says so. This was told to me after i had the test done, it was not a sales pitch.
It is real easy to say it is necessary when it is someone else s back yard. I wish it were yours, you can have the gas wells the pipe lines dumps and prisons since you think they are so fine. I guess you would also like to be told by a realtor that they will not even bother to list your property because "No none wants to be near this drilling"
As far as the mineral rights go, the gas companies love to report a few that actually receive more then just a few dollars most get little or nothing after the first check.
I received a paper that they wanted to use my land for some testing. They would pay a whopping $5 an acre. They also wanted to know if any time was better then another because of hunting or fishing that I may do. I checked the fine print and it gave them rights to my property for 3 years. The test was planting explosive charges and setting them off, they forgot to explain this but I looked it up. My answer was "KEEP OUT"
I can understand that those of you in Texas and Louisiana love the drilling and pipe lines. You are making the big money and after the area is destroyed you can thump your chest and say we brought natural gas profits to the energy companies. While those of us in the area cannot drink the water or fish in it and have property values a fraction of what they were.

 

[forgeblast]

The test was planting explosive charges and setting them off.
That was the siesmic testing to see what is under the ground. They drill down, and put explosive charges and then rig up "phones" to catch the sounds bouncing off the underground formations.
I had the owner of the company come to the house, we walked my property, marked everything off on the map of where they could and could not set off a charge, marked off wells and water charges.
The next day they came and widened a logging trail, (i still use it) to get the drill machine in. Once they had that done they ran the lines. Once the testing was done everything was picked up in a day and they even took the ribbons with them.
I was able to talk to the drillmaching crew, even let them go fishing on our pond as they were waiting to get picked up. They were very polite and treated my property with respect. all I can ask for.

 

[Bird]

I can understand that those of you in Texas and Louisiana love the drilling and pipe lines. You are making the big money and after the area is destroyed you can thump your chest and say we brought natural gas profits to the energy companies.

If you only knew how wrong you are about that.:laughing: Most of us are not making any money, much less big money from those things. But we sure do have lots of those wells in this area, and we also have the same battles going on here between those who want the drilling and those who do not.

 

[71bronco]

I leased my land last year and all I can say is drill,baby drill:thumbsup:

Jeff

 

[looknlearn]

Hydrofracking is a nice idea but for me the end does not justify the means. We are ruining this planet because we can and want to keep going at this frightening pace. I'm afraid for what my children and children's children will have to live with because of our great ideas that turn sour because of some companies spin or fine print. I don't think a little gas to drive all over is worth ruining our fresh water supply. It probably doesn't ruin it all and they can spout numbers but the fact is it does get in the water at times. If the stuff is so safe why don't they say what it is.

I've have seen the mess they make as they cruise around in the forest planting their dynamite in holes (just run out to one of those little flags and start pulling the string, on the end is explosives). In the end they do not really help the small towns they sweep though. They ruin the roads with their large equipment which the town then has to pay the bill and ultimately taxpayers. The sudden influx of workers into these small towns will drive the cost of rent and possibly other costs though the roof and end up driving the locals out or into the poor house, then when the gas runs out, they will leave, leaving a few rich happy men, an abandon town with ruined roads, possibly bad water and other damage. This may be an extreme example but it is a reality that is very possible with these small towns.

As you can tell I am not for Fracking and I may be off on a few things but I think we are all going to fast I think we are going to crash this ship sometime in the near future.

Thanks for hearing my .02 cents.

 

[ljohnson778]

Hydrofracking is a nice idea but for me the end does not justify the means. We are ruining this planet because we can and want to keep going at this frightening pace. I'm afraid for what my children and children's children will have to live with because of our great ideas that turn sour because of some companies spin or fine print. I don't think a little gas to drive all over is worth ruining our fresh water supply. It probably doesn't ruin it all and they can spout numbers but the fact is it does get in the water at times. If the stuff is so safe why don't they say what it is.

I've have seen the mess they make as they cruise around in the forest planting their dynamite in holes (just run out to one of those little flags and start pulling the string, on the end is explosives). In the end they do not really help the small towns they sweep though. They ruin the roads with their large equipment which the town then has to pay the bill and ultimately taxpayers. The sudden influx of workers into these small towns will drive the cost of rent and possibly other costs though the roof and end up driving the locals out or into the poor house, then when the gas runs out, they will leave, leaving a few rich happy men, an abandon town with ruined roads, possibly bad water and other damage. This may be an extreme example but it is a reality that is very possible with these small towns.

As you can tell I am not for Fracking and I may be off on a few things but I think we are all going to fast I think we are going to crash this ship sometime in the near future.

Thanks for hearing my .02 cents.

For fu€ks sake, we're why they're drilling everywhere... Don't you people get it? It's our demand that keeps them drilling... Only, we want them in someone else's backyard...

 

[Catfish Man]

I came here to research snow moving equipment, I don't want to get in a pissing contest. However I feel as if I'm uniquely qualified to comment on this topic.

I have worked in the oil and gas industry for many years (in multiple parts of the world). I recently relocated my family to West Virginia.

I'm college educated, my wife is college educated. I'm working for a major oilfield service company, my wife is splitting her time working at a local non-profit organization and volunteering at the local animal shelter. We have been here less than a year, have bought a house, vehicle, we are about to buy another vehicle, tractor with implements and property. I believe the comments about the low-life workers coming in and not spending money is unfounded.

I'm writing this from a rig site in North Central West Virginia, there are less than 10 people from the Southern United States on the rig. Everyone else is from WV, PA, Ohio, and NY. The comments about not giving locals jobs is unfounded. The outsiders that are here are doing very specialized jobs that require extensive training, as the locals learn more, they will gradually be able to work into these positions.

If you have been watching "Black Gold" and TV, you have a very poor idea of how the modern oil rigs work. That is made for TV crap, that's more like the oilfield was in the 50's.

Most of your concerns are unfounded and based on rumors, or faulty science.

If any of you are having problems with oilfield workers not respecting your property, running you off the road etc. Get the tag number and report it to the company named on the side of the truck. If there is no name on the side of the truck there will be a sign at the entrance to the rig, with the company name and contact info, call that number and they will track it down to the responsible person and put a stop to it ASAP.

However, I would like to point out that I spend many hours driving on roads around rigs and the only times I have had anyone run me off the road, it was not fellow oilfield workers, but locals.

 

[lockhaven]

well I guess I am wrong about the gas industry, everyone working for them is a college graduate and we know that that makes them superior to the masses.
My being run off the road by large trucks must have been in my dreams
My neighbors are secretly working for the drillers and not telling the rest of us
The bands of strangers snooping around private property are just lost tourists
The realtor was a fake and that is why they discourage those near drill sights about selling property
The water tester was trying to scare me about finding 10% of the water wells becoming polluted after the gas drilling.
The private property being condemned for pipe lines is because the land owners are just hard headed and want a fair price for what is theirs.
And since most all the workers are local I guess the Williamsport police were mistaken
PA: Illegal Aliens working for GPX Survey in Williamsport
I am also wrong about getting a lawyer to examine the contract they tried to get me to sign, He was lying because they are college graduates and would never ever try to cheat someone
In Conclusion I wish to apologize to offending the highly educated honest fair environmentally friendly drillers
Please forgive me

 

[dmccarty]

I came here to research snow moving equipment, I don't want to get in a pissing contest. However I feel as if I'm uniquely qualified to comment on this topic.
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Welcome to TBN Catfish Man. :thumbsup:

Later,
Dan