Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine.

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DieselPower said:
Something people in this country seem to forget is just how cheap oil and gas is. Try going to some other countries some time. You will appreciate the dirt cheap prices here in the US.
Maybe THAT'S why they all want to move here! HMMM
 
   / Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine. #22  
dsgsr said:
There must be something NEW on the horizon, cause the oil companies are making ALL the money they can NOW.

David

While it seems like oil companies are making money hand over fist, it's not as rosy as some would have you believe. On average, the oil companies are only making about $0.03/gal on gasoline and diesel fuels. The federal government makes $0.50/gal, and then your state takes a bite too, usually $0.20 and up. The rest of the money you're paying is the cost to pump, refine, and transport the fuel to your fuel station plus a little profit margin for the station itself - though they make as much or more money off of food and beverage sales than they do from the fuel sales.

The only reason that oil companies are making so much money is because of the huge quantity of fuel pumped into gas tanks every single day, plus all of the various oils they refine for all kinds of purposes. Oh...and let's not forget that we don't have a chemical industry, we have a petro-chemical industry. Almost our entire chemical infrastructure in this world is based on oil products - plastics, vinyl, latex, nylon, synthetic rubbers, etc. all come from oil. So unless you want to go back to the 1920's when every product on the shelves was packaged in a tin can, cardboard box, or glass bottle or jar, we have to keep paying the oil companies to pump oil. There's simply no other natural resource that has the complex molecules in it to make these products. We might as well use the fuels that come from oil while we're at it... And don't get me started on the farce of global warming. :eek:
 
   / Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine. #23  
Yeah, just read about the 6 stroke in Pop Mech, or PopSci or POpxxx, The big auto companies aren't rushing his joint.

KC-135 refueling tankers used water injection to get added thrust. They would calculate how much water they could dump through the engines prior to rotation and liftoff and then carry just that amount so they wouldn't be weighted down with water when lifting off. The only hydrogen involved (other than whole H2O) was the hydrogen bombs the B-52's were carrying that these tankers refueled.

WW II aircraft that were not supercharged were sometimes fitted with alcohol-water injection to use when they wanted to really produce max power. I think the alcohol may have been primarily for anti-freeze as high altitude flights have temps like -40F.

I worked with an engineer who drove an older maximum size Lincoln Mark something sedan with high compression engine which called for high octane fuel and he ran it on the lowest octane (cheapest) gas he could buy. It never knocked and it ran like crazy while getting outstanding mileage. He had a water tank as well as a gas tank. After the engine was warmed up a circuit monitoring manifold vacuum, RPM, etc sent pulses to a little pump that gave a small squirt of water for each pulse. The water was injected into the intake manifold just after the carb.

The only manual part of the operation besides filling the water tank was hitting a switch to disable the unit before shutting down so you don't put unused water in the manifold.

I think he bought it from some guy who was developing them as a product. This was in the late 70's.

Pat
 
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MikePA said:
Other countries are not as spread out as we are, not to mention the govt subsidies of mass transit systems. Plus 'we' do have mass transit systems where they make sense, e.g., cities and the surrounding suburbs. Even in these situations, they lose money.

Pittsburgh, PA is a good example of a failed mass transit system. They have bus, trolley and subway systems, but they are still losing money right and left and, yes, they want more money or they are threatening to cut more routes. The tax payers across PA are being asked to subsidize the Pgh mass transit system with their tax dollars.

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being an employee of a masstransit system , most of them are losers.

only a few cities in the USA have viable mass transit.

most of the current systems were at one time private. those private systems were money losers that corporations used for write offs.

US stARTED PROVIDING THE FUNDS TO make them public entities in the 60's.

but most of the systems are just a form of welfare. they enable poor people to get to their jobs. basic purpose of public transit is that. its also a jobs program from which I have benefitted. I wont complain but the USA will probably never have a good public transportation system just based on size.
 
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MikePA said:
Pittsburgh, PA is a good example of a failed mass transit system. They have bus, trolley and subway systems, but they are still losing money right and left and, yes, they want more money or they are threatening to cut more routes. The tax payers across PA are being asked to subsidize the Pgh mass transit system with their tax dollars.

If someone wants to buy a big SUV and feed it, that's their business, not mine and not the government's business. When/if people grow tired of feeding the big SUV, they will change their behavior.

Ya know Mike, you got me thinkin. When I was in school in Oakland, Pittsburgh, Pa., I remember those darn trolley tracks. There was a trolley car going anywhere you wanted to go. They ran right down the center of most streets. They were old too. However, they worked good. For me they were even fun to ride. Of course, I didn't have to use them everyday. As I remember, they ran on electric. Wow, what a new idea? I remember the older folks talk about trolley taking them all over the burbs. Heck, they went 30-40 miles outside of the city.

I don't know if the trolley was cost effective. I would be willing to take even odds on a bet that they were not a losing deal.

Cheers....Coffeeman
 

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