Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine.

   / Hydrogen from water to get 25% more mpg in gas engine.
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DieselPower said:
Bruce Crower of Crower Cams has been working on a 6 stroke engine. It adds two strokes to a conventional engine in which water is injected into the cylinder thereby turning the additional two strokes into (more or less) a steam engine.

Directory:Crower's Six-Stroke Engine - PESWiki

There is actually alot of interesting technology going on in the engine field. Everything from modern steam engines to 92 % efficient gun engines to almost 100% efficient Rotary Compressed-Air Motor's.

Directory:Engines - PESWiki

Interesting stuff here. I really gotta say; I don't know if I imagine this, but there is a lot of research going on today. It will probably be some guy working in a backyard garage that sees something and developes it. It will be a breakthrough that will send gasoline back to a quarter a gallon + tax. The sad part, the oil companies will still make a lot.

Cheers
 
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There must be something NEW on the horizon, cause the oil companies are making ALL the money they can NOW.

David
 
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Something people in this country seem to forget is just how cheap oil and gas is. Try going to some other countries some time. You will appreciate the dirt cheap prices here in the US.
 
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DieselPower said:
Something people in this country seem to forget is just how cheap oil and gas is. Try going to some other countries some time. You will appreciate the dirt cheap prices here in the US.

Yeah, but many other countries have better mass transit than we do.
 
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But that's our fault, not theirs. If "We the People" had told Uncle Sam decades ago that we wanted more fuel effecient vehicles and better mass transit systems we wouldn't be in the mess we are in currently. The problem was we have alway's had dirt cheap petroleum and got accustomed to it. Now that prices are increasing everyone is starting to feel it in their wallet. We here in the US have a problem, the problem is the bigger is better complex. Bigger cars, bigger trucks, heck, bigger everything for that matter. Look at other what I call oil poor countries like Great Britian, Germany, China.... for decades they have been using small fuel effecient vehicles if not bicycles while here in the US we were content with our cars the size of M1 Abram tanks that used as much fuel in one day as cars in other countries used in a week or more. We really need to start doing a better job of concerving the recources we have before they are gone or out of our price range.
 
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slowrev said:
Yeah, but many other countries have better mass transit than we do.
Other countries are not as spread out as we are, not to mention the govt subsidies of mass transit systems. Plus 'we' do have mass transit systems where they make sense, e.g., cities and the surrounding suburbs. Even in these situations, they lose money.

Pittsburgh, PA is a good example of a failed mass transit system. They have bus, trolley and subway systems, but they are still losing money right and left and, yes, they want more money or they are threatening to cut more routes. The tax payers across PA are being asked to subsidize the Pgh mass transit system with their tax dollars.

If someone wants to buy a big SUV and feed it, that's their business, not mine and not the government's business. When/if people grow tired of feeding the big SUV, they will change their behavior.
 
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If you want to run your vehicles on hydrogen there's semi-practical technology today on the FEMA website (and others). Look for wood gasification. MikeD74T
 
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DieselPower said:
But that's our fault, not theirs. If "We the People" had told Uncle Sam decades ago that we wanted more fuel effecient vehicles and better mass transit systems we wouldn't be in the mess we are in currently. The problem was we have alway's had dirt cheap petroleum and got accustomed to it. Now that prices are increasing everyone is starting to feel it in their wallet. We here in the US have a problem, the problem is the bigger is better complex. Bigger cars, bigger trucks, heck, bigger everything for that matter. Look at other what I call oil poor countries like Great Britian, Germany, China.... for decades they have been using small fuel effecient vehicles if not bicycles while here in the US we were content with our cars the size of M1 Abram tanks that used as much fuel in one day as cars in other countries used in a week or more. We really need to start doing a better job of concerving the recources we have before they are gone or out of our price range.

There is no need to tell Uncle Sam anything. He doesn't sell cars or fuel. If the market wants small cars, someone will produce them. It seems as though the market does not want small cars, at least not yet. If fuel prices were really starting to affect people, you'd think the first thing they would do would be drive slower. I have yet to see that, so from my perspective, fuel is apparently still a bargain for most folks.

It is NOT a bargain for me but I don't want the Government to artificially make it one or mandate what I drive. I'll take care of that myself.

Another thing I've learned...just because I can't afford something doesn't mean it's overpriced.
 
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The comparison of fuel prices in other countries is meaningless unless you consider the bigger picture. What portion of that fuel price is taxes? and does our low fuel price balance with an equivalent tax increase? I pay a large state sales tax. My state funds road projects from their general tax revenue. Perhaps these other countries fund their road projects from gas tax alone.

I am predicting hydrogen to be the next fuel. We can burn it in our gas engines with minor modifications. We can make it from water, sea water with electricity. And we can make electricity with nuclear reactors or hydroplants. I am not afraid of nuclear power, I have walked the deck of many nuclear powered battleships and know how clean, quiet, and dependable the output is. It just takes high prices to drive people to change. The technology is here.
 
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Highbeam said:
I am not afraid of nuclear power...

AMEN!!!

Name any other energy source where you can actually contain and store all of the waste/byproducts.

It's the cleanest source of energy we have.
 

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