Hydrogen infrastructure

[3930dave]

I was going to post the file itself, but IIRC, the file size limit here is no more than 10M.....

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.n...n/NRCan_Hydrogen-Strategy-Canada-na-en-v3.pdf

Recent Canadian paper..... 141 pages, so I'm only part way in, but have already learned that Canada is presently one of the top 10 global producers of Hydrogen.

Some light reading..... esp. useful if you have trouble sleeping at night

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

JCB deal.

JCB signs green hydrogen deal worth billions

Rgds, D.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Many countries around the world use natgas to fuel vehicles, including small ones.

As the cleanest burning HC, it made sense. Not that many years ago (5 give/take) a good friend of mine used an ex-BC Highways F150 as his service truck. 4x4 ext cab, always fully loaded with cable, fittings and tools. IIRC, he was around $10CAD/100km running that on natgas. A real bargain, esp. considering gasoline pricing in BC. That truck may have actually been an XL7700 '150.

Rgds, D.

Back 20 years ago when I worked for the state, most of our state vehicles had been converted to CNG. They ran OK on the highway, but were so doggy in traffic I didn't like to drive one or ride in one, because they just didn't feel safe to me.

 

[3930dave]

Back 20 years ago when I worked for the state, most of our state vehicles had been converted to CNG. They ran OK on the highway, but were so doggy in traffic I didn't like to drive one or ride in one, because they just didn't feel safe to me.

Not sure what you'd have been driving back then.... a buddy out West has had a few BC Highways F150 on natgas - hands-down, his favourite work vehicle, and he always had that truck loaded with tools and cable. As BC gasoline pricing is closer to Europe than USA $, he loved the operating cost of NG at the time.

By spec, with NG you lose a bit of power vs. gas/diesel, the rest comes down to who designed/installed the NG system. My friend had no complaints with those NG F150s, and he's somewhat heavy-footed, at least compared to me.

Early gasoline engines were pretty lame, even by 1950 standards. Early or cheap/badly implemented NG or propane systems don't perform well by today's standards either....

Ford often did a lot of alt-fuel work with Roush; IMO, one of the best in the biz.....

Rgds, D.

 

[Torvy]

I hope you're not confusing CNG with Hydrogen Fuel Cells. HFC is the best way forward if we want to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels. Personally, I am in favor of a market driven multi-pronged approach. No reason to shutter all use of ICE vehicles, reducing usage by making alternatives available will solve the real concerns of localized pollution and a finite resource.

 

[KennyG]

HFCs would be great if you had an economical, non-polluting was to produce hydrogen. I can't see that on the horizon. It would have to be more efficient than electrical generation.

 

[3930dave]

Nope, no confusion on my part.....

Technically, I like hydrogen the best - whether in a fuel-cell application or directly combusted (Internal Combustion).

I'm ok with related thread-wander..... people naturally will think of whatever alt-fuel they may have experience with, when another new one comes up....

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Upstate NY,

Biggest Plug Power green hydrogen plant in North America headed to NY state

Rgds, D.

 

[KennyG]

So we're going to use hydro power to produce electricity to produce hydrogen which we will transport to fill fuel cells to produce electricity. Maybe that makes sense but also consider that we currently use all available hydro power. All the electricity used by this plant will have to be replaced.

 

[DieselBound]

So we're going to use hydro power to produce electricity to produce hydrogen which we will transport to fill fuel cells to produce electricity. Maybe that makes sense but also consider that we currently use all available hydro power. All the electricity used by this plant will have to be replaced.

And also consider that dams have a limited lifespan (I seem to recall 150 years or so as being the average): many of the larger dams in NA are heading into the later years of their lifecycle.

And on top is the ever-lurking GROWTH issue. Not only is the issue about replacing existing but also providing for our exponential demands from growth.