Hydro's and brake pedals

[SPYDERLK]

Which part of my attitude bothers you the part where I like my tractor and the HST and brakes on the same side don't bother me, the part where I allow as to how everyone should be free to choose what they want and use it anyway they want. or what?

Patrick

Its the part about getting along with a "broken leg" because you just have no need for one that isnt.
larry

 

[Scotty370]

I've just seen this thread and read through, yea, even between the 'lighting bolts' ! Could it be a design holdover that was forged from a standard shift tractor, w/ Clutch on the left, and brakes on the right?

 

[JB4310]

I've just seen this thread and read through, yea, even between the 'lighting bolts' ! Could it be a design holdover that was forged from a standard shift tractor, w/ Clutch on the left, and brakes on the right?

That's the only reason I can think of, It sure can't be like a bunch of designers and engineers sat down and planned that.

Looks like there's minimal retooling going from gear to hydro on the assembly line, they even left the clutch in there! (which isn't a bad thing by itself).

JB.

 

[Egon]

is the buggy whip socket generally on the left or the right side of the buggy ?? lol!

Oh it may be on the right but then a left handed person may move it to the left!

Check it out on this Buggy!

 

[patrick_g]

is the buggy whip socket generally on the left or the right side of the buggy ?? lol!

Buggies often had a lever (for hand and sometimes foot operation) to operate the brakes (no cutting brakes) so the real issue is whether or not the buggy whip socket was on the same side as the brake. The answer is yes, the buggy whip socket was typically on the same side as the brake (some were centered.)

Patrick

 

[patrick_g]

Its the part about getting along with a "broken leg" because you just have no need for one that isnt.
larry

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I feel no need to prove anything or to convert anyone and it doesn't bother me in the least that someone does not prefer a tractor like mine. I sort of get what you think you were intending to convey with the broken leg thing but think it is more of a stretch than Madonna's Spandex and not really applicable or appropriate.

I don't recall anyone claiming HST and cutting brakes on the same side was a superior arrangement. Aren't we all in VIOLENT agreement that if you need to use cutting brakes that having them on the same side as the HST is sub-optimal? I know that I fully understand the motivation for needing to use cutting brakes but that is not a requirement for me (or thousands of others) so our cutting brakes being sub-optimal is not equivalent to a broken leg. If you want anatomical analogies let me put it this way. For many of us having but not using a feature like cutting brakes is more like having an appendix. Its there but it doesn't really do anything useful and we can get along perfectly well without it.

If there are religious aspects to the use of cutting brakes on the order of Allah or the cutting brakes (sword?) that I have ignored to any degree, it is intentional.

Patrick

 

[MossRoad]

True... if and only if you use the brakes as cutting brakes which many many of us don't.

You got some twisted logic.

 

[MossRoad]

I have a question for hydro tractor owners with the hydro pedals and brake pedal(s) located on the same side. With a hydro tractor if you stop on hill do you have to use the brake(s) to keep the tractor from moving. I ask because I only have experience on gear tractors however I have operated several hydro lawnmowers and the brake is required to hold a hill and the problem with brakes and hydro on the same side is that the operator has to use their toe to hold/release the brake while using their heal to operate the appropriate hydro pedal. My questions is are hydro tractors different than hydro mowers in that will the tractor hold a hill without use of the brake?

Our tractor had brakes on the opposite side as the direction pedals. Here's my experience on your very valid concern. My large HST tractor loader weighed about 8000#. On a steep slope you could inch up to something very precisely with the HST. However, if you let off the direction pedal, the tractor would roll down the slope ever so slightly, moving you away or towards your intended target by a couple inches. By keeping one foot on the brake and inching forward with your other foot on the HST you could actually use the brakes to hold it in place once you got in position. The only ways to do that on an HST with the brake and direction pedals on the same side is to either swing your other leg over to the pedals or hope you have a big, fat, coordinated right foot.

 

[MossRoad]

Which part of my attitude bothers you the part where I like my tractor and the HST and brakes on the same side don't bother me, the part where I allow as to how everyone should be free to choose what they want and use it anyway they want. or what?

Patrick

I think it is part C, where you won't accept it is a crummy design.

It does not mean the tractor is a bad tractor. It is a good tractor. A great tractor. The masses love them. I love them. I just wonder why they didn't make it even better by making the split brakes useful by putting them on the opposite side as the drive pedal. That's all.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I think it is part C, where you won't accept it is a crummy design.

It does not mean the tractor is a bad tractor. It is a good tractor. A great tractor. The masses love them. I love them. I just wonder why they didn't make it even better by making the split brakes useful by putting them on the opposite side as the drive pedal. That's all.

I think its the lack of exhibited understanding between the conditions of "need to some extent" and "require". Those 2 conditions cover the whole range of general purpose mobile terrestrial uses. Crummy design is a bane to both.
larry