Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift

/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #101  
If you do a ton of loader work I guess a Hydrostatic might be ok. I personally don’t like them, but that’s why they make geared ones 🤷🏼 I don’t use my loader much. I mostly bush hog, plow, disc, grade my road. I do more field work basically.
 
/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #102  
I'll be honest, I struggle hard to understand what's so hard or complicated on a shuttle transmission. Or why it can't do precision work or all the other myths spread all over the internet.

I don't know how we got it done back when. Manual transmission, shifter between your knees...

Square baler. Small square baler with the hay wagon behind that. It's a wonder we didn't all die.

I do like HST though.
 
/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #103  
A shuttle will pass through more of the engines gross HP to the tires or PTO, speaking of the PTO ... They generally like a certain RPM ... That's where the HST shines in my opinion!

Even with a 12 speed shuttle, you are limited to 12 ground speeds if you maintain the recommended PTO RPM, not so with the HST!

Yes, they also make 16, 24, 36 ... speed gear transmissions, but not even close to what the OP was about ...

With a gear transmission you gotta pick the "close enough" ground speed gear, and hope you don't want to slow down to turn, or go over a rough stretch . . . HST, just let up on the go pedal! (Generally on the smaller under 50 HP tractors, you can't "shift on the fly")
 
/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #104  
I've owned both, and think they do the same work but differently. Maybe it will help if I describe going about the common job of using the FEL to move a pile of dirt.

First thing to know is that most compact tractors with power shift has a manual clutch, it's just that it is automaticsally clutched when you shift through forward gears (but usually not when you shift ranges). And Power Shuttles don't all have the same sort of clutch. Some have a regular foot clutch in addition to the power shift, although most will also have the automatic clutch that is triggered by either the shifting motion or by finger pressure on the power shifting lever.

Some power shifts - particularly larger tractors - do not have the same automatic manual clutch as compact tractors, but instead they have a torque converter. Torque converters cost horsepower. so those power shifts are usually found on tractors over roughly 65 hp and on up.

With our JD and Yanmar power shuttles I would either choose a very low gear or use the clutch at least for the difficult part of each bucket fill. If the pile was at all tough, I'd use the clutch several times as I inched into the pile. When the bucket is full enough, some power shuttles require you to use the clutch when you shift into reverse to back away from the pile as you are lifting the bucket load ....and some do not need any special operator clutching for reverse because they automatically clutch when you make that shift from forward to reverse - just like they automatically clutch for you when shifting going forward.

By "Hydro" I think you mean a Hydrostatic Transmission - a HST. With the HST transmission very few tractors have any sort of a clutch....a few do, mostly as a safety for starting the engine, but it's rare.
Mine does, but even so, I don't use the clutch our HST except for startup, never touch it after that. The foot pedal that controls the HST automatically changes the internal gearing and the throttle to give the maximum drive force for that the pedal position. As I approach the pile of dirt and drive into it all the changes in speed and torque are done by the tractor in response to slight movements of the foot pedal.

I much prefer the HST for loader work. It is effortless.

But power shift works just fine, a few more motions perhaps, but it becomes instinctive.
Power shift is often less expensive than HST - and he Power Shift does have an efficiency advantage. Slightly more engine horse power goes to the tires with power shift than with HST. So it is more economical of fuel and power.

I really liked our old power shift with the fingertip clutch....but after getting a HST, it is even easier to use for FEL work and for any type of quick chore work or lawn mowing. For mowing a big field or plowing or any tillage work...or for towing a trailer up and down a lot of hills, the powershift might get the nod. At least from me.

Hope this helps,
rScotty
I think that cruise control on a HST tractor levels the field with a powershift for mowing large fields.
 
/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #105  
to the above posters:
1) there's a big difference between shuttle shift and hydro shuttle in the Kubota line. shuttle shift requires clutch depression for directional move, the hydro shift not.

2) many compact & sub tractor manual gear trains are not synchronized in 1st or 2nd gears, a pain all around, therefore smaller tractor owners go HST esp w/operator bad knees

3) sure HST is a breeze to operate on compacts...but there's a reason larger utility M series are strictly gear for more robust tasks such as ground engagement implements, etc regards
 
/ Hydrostatic vs shuttle shift #106  
I like to point folks to wheel loaders when they start having this discussion. Tractors are designed to have implements on the back, not the front. The front loader is an afterthought that takes a bit of messing around, additional counterweight, extra care, etc. in order to work sorta well. A wheel loader is designed from the ground up for front loader work. You know what you won't find on any wheel loader? Foot operated directional control. They're all hand operated "shuttle shift" of some variety.
 
 
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