I guess my prices are too high...

   / I guess my prices are too high... #21  
Spiveyman said:
Yeah, I'm not proposing anyone raise hay as a cash crop, but if you are already mowing tall grass as a business, there might, and I emphasize might, be a way to optimize profits by making hay. You can't plan your business for years of extreems, but around here I'd imagine you'd have a hard time if your plan was to raise wheat or beans and buy hay for cattle. Besides the fact that your cash crop did not likely yield much if anything, the cost of hay is rediculous, and that's only when you can actually find anyone willing to sell it. But certainly there are more economical ways to use land than for hay. We try to practice sustainable aggriculture, which means we want to be able to provide for all of our animals with the yeilds from our own land. That's not a "business" decision. We could optimize profits by stacking more cattle on the land and buying feed. That's more of a principle decision of the way we want to do things. I have no problems going the feed lot rout, there's money in it, this is just how we want to do it with our own lands. We'll lease more land when we need it.

Why haying is dying...
Used JD 328 Baler with 42 Kicker about $10000
Used JD 1219 Haybine about $1700
Used NH Rake about $900
Used Tedder about $1200
Used Bale Wagons about $1000 per...need about 3 wagons per 5 acres with minimal barn loading crew

Yeah you make more money bushhogging:)
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #22  
Around here most grajn farmers have batwing mowers. They mow neighbors land for alot less than I can with my 7 footer. To them it is good public relations with neighbors and land owners. I stick to my prices because I do the ones they don't want. I do other things that make as much or more money than mowing. Renovator
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #23  
Oleozz said:
My neighbor just had his fields custom mowed, the rate was $50 per hour or $12 an acre. This was done with a 15 ft batwing.

I thought your neighbor's rate he paid didn't add up. $50 per hour or $12 per acre didn't seem right, so I did a little math. Figuring that the 15 ft batwing had some overlap on both sides of a swath, I came up with an average speed of 3 MPH to make the $50 per hour and $12 per acre even out. You didn't say how big the neighbor's fields were, but I'm thinking they were pretty big with minimal turning. The shredding contractor probably maintained 3.5 MPH or greater in the open areas. Those numbers do make sense after all.:)
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #24  
Yeah, the bigger the fields the bigger the equipment, fewer turns etc. It's all economies of scale. It's the reason small 80-240 acre family farms are on the endangered species list.

It's also one reason why a 5 acre field can cost as much as a 25 acre field to cut. 5*$60 = $300 VS 25*$12= $300

jb
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #25  
PaulChristenson said:
Why haying is dying...
Used JD 328 Baler with 42 Kicker about $10000
Used JD 1219 Haybine about $1700
Used NH Rake about $900
Used Tedder about $1200
Used Bale Wagons about $1000 per...need about 3 wagons per 5 acres with minimal barn loading crew

Yeah you make more money bushhogging:)


I yield. :) That's why I said "might" in my post there. Bush hog and shredd that hay all to pieces!! I wish you could beam that grass to KY, we'd sure appreciate it.
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #26  
Last year I shredded my 10 acres for fun!! This year a neighbor asked what I was going to do with my "hay". I know it was a bad year for hay so I told him that he could have it... he got 33 bales off of 10 acres, they were about 5'x6'-ish (not sure if that's a good or bad yield).

A friend ask how much did he paid for the hay (cow grade?) I said nothing :) I didn't want it to go to waste and it saved me a day of mowing (hey! wait a minute... I like mowing!!!) I know a square bale goes for $3-4, what does a big round bale go for? I guess I should ask, what does an acre of hay in the field go for?
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #27  
Let's just say that you gave you neighbor over $1000 and depending on quality of the hay and prevailing prices, it could have been over $2000.

You got anything else you want to give away?? Can I get in line?

jb
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #28  
NO kidding!!! What do you give out a Christmas time!?!?!?

In a good year we've gotten 5 - 6 bales/acre, this year 3 bales/acre is about what I'd expect on the first cut, maybe 2 on the second if there even is a second. Don't know how much rain you've gotten. In a good year (6 bale/acre year) everyone has hay and you may be able to sell good stuff for $12 - $15 in KY. This year people leave blank checks out there, drop off all the hay you want for as much as you want. Was at $40 in June, $50, $60, I've heard higher than that. No one has hay to sell around here.

I can see where there's not a business model to support this, but if you already have the equipment, and have the time, you could make some cash offering to mow someone's hay around here and then putting the hay up.
 
   / I guess my prices are too high... #29  
...but I don't have the equipment :( Anybody know a ballpark price for "letting" someone (with the right equipment) cut/bale the hay? I've heard that some people will keep a percentage of what's cut (but I don't need it & I don't want the hassle of selling it).

The hay is still in *my* field... I guess it's cheaper to store it on my property :) I don't mind it, I love the look of the hay bales in the field. I'm sure I'll have to get on my neighbor to move them before it's all over and done with.

It was the first cutting, it has some blackberry, thistle, milkweed and other flowers/weeds (no more than 5%). He was going to use it for cattle. I don't think that it is 'horse quality' (only a guess, as you can see - I have NO clue what I'm doing).
 
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   / I guess my prices are too high... #30  
teg - we're not getting on you man, I totally understand. It's called "cutting on shares" and yes sometimes people will cut on shares. Used to be able to get people to cut 70/30, where they would keep 30%, you get the rest, lately you are lucky to get someone to do it 50/50. My uncle will only do it if he gets all the hay, guess that's not exactly cutting on shares any more. However, if you had someone cut it on shares at say 50/50, then they own half the hay, you own the other half. You could then ask if they wanted to buy your half for a reasonable price depending on the going rate in your area. If there were here you'd have no problem getting someone to agree to that this year. They'd get 16-ish bales for their trouble and you'd be able to sell the other 16-ish bales in about 43 seconds for $50 each or more.

All depends on the market, supply & demand. Last year we had both, this year we only have demand.

Oh, and if you want your neighbor to move those bales, try putting up a sign in the field that says "Hay for sale, real cheap!" I bet he's out there that night moving those suckers! :) Ha! (That is assuming he can take a joke.)
 

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