I HATE ROAD SALT

   / I HATE ROAD SALT #31  
Road salt response. We are having the same problem with salt in Maine and I've done auto recon-detail work for 35 years and see the effects each spring. What is scary is the brake line damage I've seen first hand. Local auto shops are replacing all brake lines and fittings end to end on vehicles three years old. Salt doesn't make driving safer it just keeps the speed up!
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #32  
Car magazines always talk about going to their local junk yard in Los Angeles and finding parts for whatever 60s and 70s rides they are building. In salt country those cars have long since returned to the earth.
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #33  
I too hate salt as much the other guy, but as atgreene and QRTRHRS pointed out, people dont want to be inconvienced. they take winter driving as a granted right, not a privelage. I get peeved when I see too much salt being spread, but as atgreen said, its based on many variables and when used right, it will help. I need to have the roads salted as there are toooo many people driving like idiots for MY safety. I love the back roads where its got sand on it since the snow doesnt melt and I feel its safer for me to drive since there seems to be little or no idoits on roads.

Having snow tires on my car and driving defensively on snow covered roads is the way to go. I love driving in snow covered roads since there is nobody around and I am able to get from point a to point b without an indicent without being stressed with idiots on road.

I also hate the rusting on cars, but it goes hand in hand on how people drive and the jobs it creates. :(
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #34  
You think salt and sand are harmful to the environment? Years ago, cinders from smelting operations were spread on the roads. Some of those operations went on to be declared superfund sites. I have to say though that the sun would melt those dark cinders into the ice very quickly and provide excellant traction.
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #35  
Missouri started using the salt solution (brine) several years ago, although I'm not sure they use as much as they used to. When they started using it, I had a lot more trouble keeping paint on my trailers than before. :( ~~ grnspot110
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #36  
What is scary is the brake line damage I've seen first hand.

I've had three brake line rust outs in the last eleven years on my truck.:(

The bolts holding the shifter assembly to the frame rusted out.:(

Coolant hoses to transmission rusted out.:(
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #37  
You think salt and sand are harmful to the environment? Years ago, cinders from smelting operations were spread on the roads. Some of those operations went on to be declared superfund sites. I have to say though that the sun would melt those dark cinders into the ice very quickly and provide excellant traction.

You think that's bad what about the guy down in Missouri who spread Dioxin on the roads to keep the dust down.
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #38  
First thing I learned when I moved to upstate NY was to make sure you bought a white car:D

After I got married in NC, had to trade in the regular cab Toyota pick up truck for at least an extended cab model. Truck had a little over 100,000 miles on it, but spent some long winters up north with it. Guy who I traded my truck into thought I had at least 250,000 due to the rust and condition on the bottom side. Had to explain to him that's what northern winters will do.

Truck I picked up was a local truck in Hickory NC, 7 years old, 65k on the odometer. Truck looked brand new, inside and out.

Southern cars last so much longer:laughing:
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #39  
You think salt and sand are harmful to the environment? Years ago, cinders from smelting operations were spread on the roads. Some of those operations went on to be declared superfund sites. I have to say though that the sun would melt those dark cinders into the ice very quickly and provide excellant traction.

I was wondering if someone was going to mention cinders. :)

When we lived in L'ville back in the mid/late 70s there was some very heavy and frequent snow storms. The Ohio froze up enough for people to walk on which was crazy. I remember the road crews spreading cinders, salt and I think sand at the same time. The cinders worked real well.

In my area of NC they now are spreading brine on the roads which seems to work very well. DOT/cities/towns lay it down 24/48 hours in advance of the storm if they can and it really seems to work better than salt/sand. It stays on the road as well even with traffic before the storms.

A good five years or so ago we had a snow storm that hit in the afternoon during the work week. It was a surprise and the snow hit quickly. Brine could not be put out in time. People started leaving work and some schools let out early. The snow hit the road and with people driving on the snow it turned into one big sheet of ice. The snow amount was only 1-3 inches but the roads were ice rinks. Some kids spent the night at school. They just could not get home. Thousands of people got stuck on the roads and had to spend the night in their cars or if they were lucky, walk home. Some school buses were stuck on the roads as well. It was just a freaky set of circumstances.

I ran for it from work when I saw how bad it was going to be. :D Those other drivers on the road scare me. :eek: The only problem I had was after getting our oldest from school I had to go through a section of slopping road with a curve that head down hill. A medium duty truck with a large equipment trail started to slide down the hill and the slope which put him in my lane. I was able to get by as he was able to stop on the ice. He was crawling along when this happened but if you are on ice you are on ice. :laughing:

We got another 5 miles out of the Raleigh area and there was not a snow flake on the ground. The storm hit at just the right place, a big urban area, at the right time, with just enough snow to turn to ice. If the storm had hit a bit to the east or west it would have been no big deal. But it hit at the worst possible place.

I just do not drive for a couple of days after snow unless I have no choice. The snow and ice I can handle. But the crazy drivers are the real threat. One of the kids just had a scheduled procedure at the hospital just as a snow storm moved in. I was hoping we would beat the storm but it got here just as we left the house. The good news was that we left at 0500 so there was very little traffic. The snow was really heavy and blowing as well so visibility was limited. Very few cards on the road and most driving reasonably. But there were a couple of idiots driving at 55-60. :confused2: They were in UNC trucks so I guess they did not care since it was not their truck if they crashed it. :mad:

Later,
Dan
 
   / I HATE ROAD SALT #40  
Hi again:

Someone mentioned the reason for dual brake boosters & seperate front rear lines was due to blowing a line would loose brakes in the old style. well the NEW style when you blow a line you still loose ALL brake power as well. DUAL brake master cylinders might help some but when line blows usually you will have next to no brakes what so ever. been there done that many times.

Mark
 

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