I hope my story will save someone one day

   / I hope my story will save someone one day #51  
Defective:

I personally do not like your "nom de guerre/plume" due to the fact that your posts contribute to community safety. You provided me with information that may keep me from doing something stupid. We all are in this together. Jay
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #52  
flusher said:
You see a lot of strange, scary stuff happen with chain saws.

Saw an ad last week during the NFL playoffs showing Brett Favre working around his place in MS or AL using a chain saw in shorts and a T-shirt. I know Brett is tough, but I don't think he's tougher than his saw.

Also, some drug company is running ads for their product (Vivatrin?) which includes a guy running chainsaw wearing sweat shorts.
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day
  • Thread Starter
#53  
This is a quote from the web site.
More people are killed while felling trees than during any other logging activity.

These accidents CAN be avoided!


It really hit home to me. I also was surised were the sayftey zone was at.
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #54  
IslandTractor said:
The second and third are useful. Thanks. However the first link does not work for me.

Yup...something weird happened there...

I'll try again.

Kinds of Notches

(triple checked this time.)
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #55  
jbrumberg:

I'm happy to be able to provide information that helps others work safer.

As for the name...

I've been using it for years. Seems to be a fairly easy one to get on the first try when signing up for something new. :cool: Plus it's memorable. Much better than the kind of names that get recommended by the sign-up software always recommends. (don't wanna be known as Sam41637 :rolleyes: )
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #56  
Thanks norsker! I can see the reasons for what happened now. It just never occurred to me that that kind of cut would be used on a tree more than about 6".
Larry
 
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Defective said:
Kinds of Notches

(triple checked this time.)

Thanks for reposting. That table and cartoons are very helpful. I'd never used the open faced notch technique and that is the one described by OSHA as "clearly the safest".

Looking at the description of the open faced notch there is an inconsistency with the cartoon. The cartoon shows two 45 degree angle cuts while the description calls for a 70 degree top cut and a 20 degree bottom cut. Does anyone know which is correct and why it is important?
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #58  
IslandTractor said:
Thanks for reposting. That table and cartoons are very helpful. I'd never used the open faced notch technique and that is the one described by OSHA as "clearly the safest".

Looking at the description of the open faced notch there is an inconsistency with the cartoon. The cartoon shows two 45 degree angle cuts while the description calls for a 70 degree top cut and a 20 degree bottom cut. Does anyone know which is correct and why it is important?

You're welcome.

I have a tendency to be somewhere between a conventional notch and an open faced notch. (in other words...conventional with a bit of slop to the bottom) I think the description is of an "ideal" cut. I've never carried accurate angle measuring equipment into the bush.

The purpose of this style of notch is served as long as the notch is somewhere around 90 degrees total as this keeps the hinge intact as long as possible. A shallower bottom cut leaves more support to the hinge.
 
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SPYDERLK said:
It just never occurred to me that that kind of cut would be used on a tree more than about 6".
Larry

Any style of notch will do fine as long as it leaves a hinge. Even a small tree can do unexpected things.

I've always preferred to use my wedges to push a tree over rather than trimming the hinge until it starts on its own.

The problem with a "farmer cut" is that there is nothing left to control the tree when it starts to fall. The hinge keeps the tree from twisting. A farmer cut also makes wedges pretty much useless as the back cut is angled into the grain. If you put a wedge in, it can split the stump instead of supporting the weight of the tree.
 
   / I hope my story will save someone one day #60  
OH WOW MAN, What a bummer when you are experienced and think you are working within your experience, see nothing to warn you, and then Murphy steps in and everything turns to goose grease.

I am waiting for a cold snap and ice storm to fade and will then be going back into the woods to do some more cutting. I have a lot of larger eastern red cedar (juniper) trees marked for extraction and milling for ornamental trim lumber. You can bet your sweet bippy that I will be a much more cautious citizen after reading your report!

I am older but probably no wiser than you. I have been singularly successful at felling trees in difficult circumstances or close quarters with no collateral damage.

A couple times wind shifts have trapped my saw and I had to TAKE MEASURES to recover it but I only got one injury worthy of the name while DOING TREES. I'll include that story as it might save someone from injury.

I was unloading a 15 ft or so tree top I had cut (pruned) from a friends tree. I was holding the little end of the delimbed piece of trunk and rolling it along the top of the side of my pickup bed. The plan was to get it to the drop off point and let go and let it hit the dirt. Everything went to plan BUT I got a little surprise that wasn't planned.

The big end hit first and the energy of the fall sent a wave motion up the limber log like a crack the whip sort of thing. As the wave went toward the little end the wave got bigger and bigger as the log got smaller. I expected the log to hit the ground and stay there but the little end whipped up to waist height and hit my right hand driving a stob into the hand between the thumb and forefinger. The speed of the tip of the limb was quite high and no human reflexes could have avoided it, you'd just have to be smart enough to step back as the log wouldn't jump end wise.

The hit opened up my hand at the web between the thumb and forefinger so you could look inside and see all the parts working like the SCIFI robot hands. The hole was big enough to pass silver dollars.

A soak in betadine, tetanus booster, and several stitches later and back home. Doc said the stick narrowly missed and only glanced across the important bits so he thought I would probably not loose much use of the hand. I didn't. The scar blends with the web and is not even noticible but the scar left on my brain will have me backing up anytime I drop something like that again. I was really mad at myself for not predicting and avoiding the problem.

It is one thing to take a calculated risk which you understand and have fall back plans but when you have something jump out and bite you unexpectedly it is an entirely different matter.

I hope you have a speedy and complete recovery AND never get attacked by another tree.

Pat
 

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