I just don't understand?

[N80]

I guess it is a local thing. When I bought my Kubota L4400 4wd it was significantly less than the JD 990 I was looking at and on the majority of specs the Kubota is just a bit more tractor all the way around. The NH dealer had nothing to compete with the 990 or L4400 in terms of specs or price. They had similar sized tractors but much fancier and much higher priced.

I think the "Buy American" myth has been beat to death here, but as mentioned, the JD 990 has a Yanmar engine and that money does not stay in the US. And if I can get a better tractor for less from a Japanese company, then more of the money that matters to me most (mine), stays in the US...in my wallet.

Had the JD been closer in price and the same financing available, I would have bought it and been perfectly happy with it.

 

[mike311]

The 110 was brought out to compete with the L48.

WHAT?--The L-39 and the 110 have the same size hoe, nearly identical loader specs and hydraulic output is about the same. The two units are within 3K in list price. The 110 must have more markup than the kubota. Now, if the L39 is 2K more than the 110, the L48 must be at least 6K more than the 110. I don't see how your quote can be true.

 

[Volfandt]

Mike311, good luck with your JD, for that kinda of price diff I would get the green too

One good reason, not concidering price, is the money stays in a United States of America company.

You may want to recheck your sources on this. depending on which model your compareing, there's JD's that are made totally in a foreign country and imported to the US, while there are Kubota's that are "made" in Kubota plants located just south of Atlanta Georgia USA.

FYI, Both JD AND Kubota is traded on the American stock exchange.

Using the "Built by American's" reason to purchase a particular tractor model just may surprise you

If I could have purchased a JD2210 or an MF GC2310 cheaper than my Kubota BX23 then I would have probably went with either as I'm not "locked" into following a false pretence. You see both the JD2210 AND MF GC2310 are 100% IMPORTS!!!! Who gets the majority of those $$$'s ?

Basically I think most of the tractors discussed on these forums are good machines and each has it's own merits. If one wants to pay more or less for a particular brand just because thats the one they want then mo-power to 'em.
Personally I don't feel the need to knock a brand to justify my purchase of the one I purchased ...... but if one wants to argue.....

Carry on

 

[NoMo]

You may want to recheck your sources on this. depending on which model your compareing, there's JD's that are made totally in a foreign country and imported to the US, while there are Kubota's that are "made" in Kubota plants located just south of Atlanta Georgia USA.

This is off-topic, but I wonder how many people share the above attitude when it comes to cars & trucks? I wonder if they buy a Toyota pickup built in Texas or a Ford or GM built in Mexico? It seems we often turn a "blind eye" to the tractor manufacturers and raise heck over the automakers.

Just a thought... not anything aimed towards you Volfandt. You just happened to bring up a point I think many are hypocritical about.

 

[machmeter62]

The 110 was brought out to compete with the L48. The L39 is a size smaller class so it would weigh less and have less HP. Also the 110 will not keep up with the L48 have ran both I have L48 and a friend of mine has the 110 it will not dig or lift with the L48 not only that look under the 110 some time and see how many things are hanging down to be tore off.

I have heard the complaints from others about the exposed hoses under the JD 110 tractor; does anyone know if they corrected the issue? It's hard to believe for the environment a TLB works in; that field testing didn't address that issue? One owner had a steel plate installed underneath his?

 

[Volfandt]

No problem NoMo, I think I see your point

The question should be, do we, as American consumers derive more benefit by purchasing products made by American workers who earn salaries, benefits and job security from "makeing" a tractor, or automobile or any product for that matter here on our shores but the manufacturer is foreign owned -or- do we derive more benefit from an American owned company that has some of it's products manufactured in whole by workers in a plant located in another country?

Funny that automobiles was mentioned. My F150 was built in an American plant with parts from all over the world, my Mrs' Toyota Rav4 was made in whole in Japan and imported while my daughters Honda Civic was built in America with parts from all over the world. All 3 are purchased through an American middle man (dealer) and local/state taxes were paid on all 3 and no doubt there was a tariff tax paid on the imported RAV4. Toyota is building a plant up in Canada to produce the RAV4 up there in a couple yrs.
Is Canadian made better for us than Japanese made? I personally don't think so. But then again, no matter where it's made it's producing income for American's when it makes it's way down the chain from manufacture to enduser.....

I think it's ironic that in the class of tractor I purchased (BX23), that it was the only tractor in it's class (SubCut) that was at least assembled in a plant on American shores by American workers. And yet those with little knowledge of that class lable it as an import.....

 

[N80]

There is absolutely no way to make "patriotic" purchases on the current global market. I have a high end digital Nikon camera...made in Thailand, not Japan. I looked at a pair of super expensive Carl Zeiss binoculars the other day (just looking) and they were assembled in Hungary. Don't get me wrong, I'm not making any statements regarding quality, I'm just saying there is no way to derive a warm fuzzy feeling about where your money is going. You have no way of knowing. So the only thing you can do, the only thing you should do, is buy the best quality product for the best price and let the market sort things out and you keep as much of your own US dollars as you can.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Where tractors, cars or trucks are made or assembled really shouldn't have much to do with this anymore. Some tractors are "assembled" in the US with parts made overseas. Ford trucks are assembled in Canada, Mexico and the US with parts made in the US as well as the rest of the world. I am sure the other companies are the same way. Toyota, do they make their parts in the US or do they ship them in and just "assemble" them here? Does it really matter? When you buy a car, truck or tractor some of your money is going to the US market and some is going to an overseas market. There is not one car, truck or tractor that is completely made from parts and material from just one country.

Why keep beating this topic when it really doesn't matter anymore.

 

[HEC]

It does matter Robert but all us stupid people just can't seem to do anything about it.

 

[NoMo]

Sorry, didn't mean for this to become any kind of debate. Just tyring to make people ask themselves if they are consistent when it comes to purchasing decisions and recommendations.

Given the conditions cited in this thread, it's impossible to say "buy American- buy brand X". So let's just compare tractors based on features.