I need a propane torch that works

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Just a simple, basic torch which screws onto a disposable cylinder and burns when you light it. Heat, solder, or start a bonfire, then turn off the valve until next time. That seems like an easy request but I haven't found one yet. I've bought two Bernzomatics and another brand (I don't recall the name as it went out in the trash.) Screw the tank on, light it and it may sputter for a few seconds but then it goes out.

Has anybody bought a torch in the last 5 years that worked?
 
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Self igniting is the only way to go.
have the same torch...i burn the yellow can gas... MAP PRO gas. works great. hotter flame than propane. mine is at least 15 years old in service rig. have same one next to wood stove probably 10 years old.... for starting stove.
 
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have the same torch...i burn the yellow can gas... MAP PRO gas. works great. hotter flame than propane. mine is at least 15 years old in service rig. have same one next to wood stove probably 10 years old.... for starting stove.
Second this. I bought a like 50 dollar MAP Gas torch from the plumbing section at lowes. It will burn MAP, Propane, and Butane I think. I use MAP all the time tho I've had it for 8 years maybe and it works every time. Click spark type. I've lit hundreds of fire works with it, started fires, burnt vibes. Soldered copper pipe, rusty bolts, etc... all the things a grown up man child uses a torch for. It always works. I've got a lawn propane torch and a cutting torch as well. You can never have enough torches.
 
  
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Thanks. I will try one. It's pretty frustrating to buy such a simple item, only to have it turn out to be junk.
 
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I also have one so old I don't remember buying it. Maybe you should stay away from Harbor Freight for things that need to work and last.
 
  
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Maybe you should stay away from Harbor Freight for things that need to work and las
No danger of that happening. I’ve set foot in HF exactly twice in my life... once to see what they were like, the other to buy an engine for my Troy-bilt. The torch I’m looking to replace is a brand new Bernzomatic... CBEC3066-D0BB-43FC-92F4-FCA0AFA189BA.jpeg

I used it just once, not long enough to start a fire in my wood stove before it stopped working. I’m not sure where the other came from, all that I know is it doesn’t work. Thanks to everyone who answered my question. I’ll probably pick one up as you suggesyed, the next time I'm in town.
 
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I've an old nozzle that has worked whenever I needed it to. Bought a new one when I had moved and didn't have all my stuff up here. Thought I was getting a good one. Bernzomatic with a hose. Thought it would make Life easier. It just doesn't work consistently at all. Harbor freight item would work better
 

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The auto ignition ones work well overall but a couple things. 1 - It won't want to light until the gas is all the way open or nearly so. You try to light it at partial flow and it probably won't work or it will just blip a little. and 2 - I have seen where the spark tip is not sitting in a good spot to make the spark and light the mixture, so it can help to tweak it a little until you find a spot that lights well. Don't go crazy, but if it is not lighting reliably try tweaking it.
 
  
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The auto ignition ones work well overall but a couple things. 1 - It won't want to light until the gas is all the way open or nearly so. You try to light it at partial flow and it probably won't work or it will just blip a little. and 2 - I have seen where the spark tip is not sitting in a good spot to make the spark and light the mixture, so it can help to tweak it a little until you find a spot that lights well. Don't go crazy, but if it is not lighting reliably try tweaking it.
I believe that at one time I had one of the same type everybody is recommending. After about 20 years though it started leaking and I had to toss it. Somehow propane leak and torch didn't seem like a good combination. :eek:
 

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The TS4000T doesn't have any control over how much gas comes out. It's either on or off. I use mine to start my woodstove daily. The only issue I have is where the holes are to let the air in is a weak spot. If it gets knocked over it's probably not going to be an issue but I had my first one roll of a bench and broke. I replaced it with another one because it works so well.
 

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First of all things change.
Bernzomatic has come out with the TS800, which is adjustable, otherwise like the TS400.
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They also sell the old style.
MAPP gas (a stabilized mixture of methylacetylene (propyne), propadiene and propane) is no longer available for the most part. MAPP was great when you needed to braze.
MAPP (5300*F) burns much hotter than MAP-Pro (3730*F) or propane (3600*F).
MAP-Pro is just a little better than propane, and butane burns at ~ 1,970°C, 3578°F.

It seems the price premium for MAP-Pro ($13/14.1oz) compared to propane ($5/14.1oz) is trading on the old MAPP name.
 

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Just a simple, basic torch which screws onto a disposable cylinder and burns when you light it. Heat, solder, or start a bonfire, then turn off the valve until next time. That seems like an easy request but I haven't found one yet. I've bought two Bernzomatics and another brand (I don't recall the name as it went out in the trash.) Screw the tank on, light it and it may sputter for a few seconds but then it goes out.

Has anybody bought a torch in the last 5 years that worked?
I have the same problem with a Bernzomatic and with the one that it replaced. It just won’t stat lit. Won’t burn when inverted for more than a few seconds. Basically makes it useless. Sounds like the $20 unit is garbage and the $50 unit works as designed. I wish companies would stop selling things that they know are junk.
 
  
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. I wish companies would stop selling things that they know are junk.
Especially when they are a company with a long term reputation for quality. I always have thought Bernzomatic was synonymous with quality... heck, I still have a lightweight camp stove by them which my parents bought 60 or so years ago. It’s simple, lightweight, and perfect to throw in the truck so that I can have something hot for lunch when I’m out hunting. I would wager if I went through my father’s tools there would be at least one Bernzomatic torch... and that it would still work.
 

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Just a simple, basic torch which screws onto a disposable cylinder and burns when you light it. Heat, solder, or start a bonfire, then turn off the valve until next time. That seems like an easy request but I haven't found one yet. I've bought two Bernzomatics and another brand (I don't recall the name as it went out in the trash.) Screw the tank on, light it and it may sputter for a few seconds but then it goes out.

Has anybody bought a torch in the last 5 years that worked?

i keep a Bernzomatic around; comes in handy, including in the winter when I need to melt ice on my snowblower fan.

you say that yours doesn't stay lit- do you have it turned up all the way?
 

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have the same torch...i burn the yellow can gas... MAP PRO gas. works great. hotter flame than propane. mine is at least 15 years old in service rig. have same one next to wood stove probably 10 years old.... for starting stove.
DO NOT leave it beside the Wood Stove.
 

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I have the same problem with a Bernzomatic and with the one that it replaced. It just won’t stat lit. Won’t burn when inverted for more than a few seconds. Basically makes it useless. Sounds like the $20 unit is garbage and the $50 unit works as designed. I wish companies would stop selling things that they know are junk.
None of them burn inverted.
 

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Bernzomatic for sure - I have an ancient one, non-self igniting, with blue cylinder for simple arson jobs (burning brush piles) and a self-igniting one with MAP gas for serious torch work.
 

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I struggled with torches also and did several hours research. The Bernzomatic TS8000 had rave reviews and they are right. Don't cheap out on your torch. This one lights instantly, heats quickly, has a flow control valve, and with it's special "swirl" technology it even sounds aggressive.

It is important to understand the differences in torch and gases. Many retailers sell gas advertised as Mapp gas when in actual fact, Mapp Gas is now illegal in North America. The replacement gas is actually Map Pro Gas which burns only slightly hotter than Propane unless it is combined with the dual tank Map + Oxygen.

To summarize approximate gas temperatures-
5200°F- Mapp alone (now banned)
5300°F- Map Pro + Oxygen
4100°F- Propane + Oxygen
3700°F- Map Pro
3600°F- Propane

Note the torch head also affects the temperature significantly. The TS8000 burns hotter than any other torch. Great temperatures can be achieved using this torch with Map Pro + Oxygen but the oxygen tank will drain quickly (~15 minutes) and would wisely only be used if bending steel is desired or brazing.

So with the TS8000 torch, the difference between Map Pro and Propane gas is barely noticeable (see temperatures above) as verified by timing the heating of my branding iron. Also note that the TS8000 torch produces a hot but diffused flame, whereas the old propane torch produced a pointed flame similar to an acetylene flame (when tuned properly) that was better for soldering in confined spaces.
 

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>> Many retailers sell gas advertised as Mapp gas when in actual fact, Mapp Gas is now illegal in North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAPP_gas has some interesting info here. I don't believe MAPP was actually banned. OSHA set safety limits (it's quite toxic at high concentrations) but apparently the only US manufacturer stopped production after their plant was damaged; it just never got enough traction.
 

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Just a simple, basic torch which screws onto a disposable cylinder and burns when you light it. Heat, solder, or start a bonfire, then turn off the valve until next time. That seems like an easy request but I haven't found one yet. I've bought two Bernzomatics and another brand (I don't recall the name as it went out in the trash.) Screw the tank on, light it and it may sputter for a few seconds but then it goes out.

Has anybody bought a torch in the last 5 years that worked?
I was a plumbing contractor for 35 years and we always used the basic turbo torch with no igniter, burns propane and map gas, even upside down, easy to clean the orfice by putting it in backwards and blowing it out...I retired 10 years ago so I don't know if the quality has gone down but I'm still using the one I retired with...
 

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I was a plumbing contractor for 35 years and we always used the basic turbo torch with no igniter, burns propane and map gas, even upside down, easy to clean the orfice by putting it in backwards and blowing it out...I retired 10 years ago so I don't know if the quality has gone down but I'm still using the one I retired with...

I'll second the Turbo Torch. Workplace has older ones, probably going back decades and the things last forever.
 

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Get an old used torch at a garage sale, hock shop, or Habitat Restore.
 

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The other minor detail about MAP-Pro (propene/propylene)gas which burns a hundred or so degrees cooler than MAPP, is that the BTU intensity is much higher than propane. MAPP/MAP-PRO deliver almost twice the BTU/area of propane, and slightly more than acetylene. Nice comparion table here; Fuel Gas/Mapp Gas_Aerosol Gas Company (AGC)

If you want it hot, fast, MAPP, or its replacements have some real advantages. Personally, it is worth the cost to me, especially in metal working and copper re-work.

I love my bernzomatic torch. It just works.

All the best,

Peter
 
  
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i keep a Bernzomatic around; comes in handy, including in the winter when I need to melt ice on my snowblower fan.

you say that yours doesn't stay lit- do you have it turned up all the way?
Yes. Actually it doesn't even light anymore; nothing comes out the oriface. It's a brand new torch, it has about 1/200th of a bottle through it. I've played with it, tried different tanks yet nothing works. don't plan to spend a lot of time getting it going.
 

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If you don't want something as big and bulky as the TS torches (I have both the fixed and adjustable, they're great...) and have a tractor supply around, pick up one of THESE, I have one and it's a good budget torch and has an igniter...
 
 
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