I rolled my tractor

   / I rolled my tractor
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#11  
My tractor has weak breaks is this common. My tractor the bx22 was designed to carry the loader and the backhoe, wern't the breaks desighned to stop the tractor with these items on it ? On that same spot in my driveway I had tried to hold the tractor in place with my brakes and the tractor slowly rolled backwards the breaks don't work any better in foreward. I had use the two backhoe stabalizers ! My tractor will not stop while it is rolling on a hill with the breaks when it is out of gear.
 
   / I rolled my tractor #12  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But what bothers me is that "YOUR BRAKES" don't work in reverse. )</font>
that was the first thing i wondered when i read his post, why did the Brakes not stop it? just free rolling back. i would be concerned.
 
   / I rolled my tractor
  • Thread Starter
#13  
I know I was lucky that the tractor rolled about 30 feet from my driveway before it built up speed.! I called my Dealer and spoke To the salesman yesterday. I told him that I rolled my tractor. I also told him that it was under warantee, and I had purchaced the kubota insurance when I bought it. My salesman told my the insurance was only good if the tractor burned up in my barn or was stollen. He said that the tractor probably wasn't hurt that they get a rolled tractor every month from rentals and customers. David
 
   / I rolled my tractor #14  
The reason that the brake on the BX tractor will not stop the tractor once it starts rolling, is because it isn't meant to be a brake for that purpose. It is a parking brake only. It will hold the tractor when it is engaged properly prior to the transmission being shifted into neutral. It is my experience that under these conditions, most of the time, it will keep the tractor in place. On steep inclines, the tractor might tend to roll. Also, prior to shifting into neutral, you should always set the loader on the ground. I have found that if there is a steep incline, I put some down pressure on the bucket also. I never get off the tractor if it is on an incline with the wheels pointed straight ahead. I always turn them to either right or left extreme. That way, it is unlikely that if the tractor is going to roll any distance, it isn't going to roll downhill very far. I also never shut the tractor engine down unless the tractor is on level ground. In fact, I rarely take the tractor out of gear once I start using it. Too easy to get into trouble too quickly if you don't have the ability to depress the pedal and get high tailing it out of there...... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / I rolled my tractor #15  
My Cub can and will lock both rear wheels up on dry pavement when doing 10 miles and hour in either direction. I've tried it to make sure that the brakes are real brakes. Kubota ought to be ashamed of themselves. They'll fix that once somebody gets killed and a lawsuit is filed against them.
 
   / I rolled my tractor #16  
Ditto.. I simply find it hard to believe that the kubota brakes are as junkman described.. to hold only.

IMHO.. my old ford 8n will lock a rear wheel when you stomp on the brake.. and ditto with my cub.. it will lock and skid.

My big tractor a NH7610S, toting a 2500# mower will stop fine... it's wet brakes and they feel way different than dry brakes.. but it does stop... won't lock up and skid.. but will stop you in a couple tractor lengths after going in 4th gear and hitting the clutch and standing on the brakes ( I had the chance to test this when some high school kid pulle dout in front of my tractor a few months ago!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.. )

I'f that's true about kubota... no working brakes and a weak sister parking brake... That would be a #1 compelling reason to NEVER buy one.. or even look at one.. simply to dangerous and a waste of time..

Soundguy
 
   / I rolled my tractor #17  
Slamfire,

Yup, too many times I've forgotten to release the parking brake, wondered why the CUT seemed to be dogging and then seen the lever, and/or the dash light /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. On the 4115, it doesn't seem to matter much whether forward or reverse. In low (HST), it over powers the parking brake...just a bit more easily in reverse.

Junkman,

Wheels turned, etc.. Absolutely! I can not trust the brake on an incline. Wheels turned fully to the most likely direction to stop it the soonest, should it roll, FEL with some down pressure and, as I usually have the BH or the RB on, I tend to set either for some additional grip.

It wouldn't break my heart (no pun intended /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) if I had a lot more substantial brakes all together.
 
   / I rolled my tractor
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#18  
That kind of sucks. I wish the breaks had more holding and stopping power. I hope that kubota didn't design these breaks this way? when I stomp on the break peddal it does not go to the floor board but also the tractor does not stop either. at least not on an incline. I know I made a mistake moving the tractor out of gear on a steep hill. It started moving like it was in gear than it picked up speed real quick. The tractor has a hydrostatic transmission so in normal conditions you don't use the breaks. If it is an emergency break only why didn't they use a handle instead of a break pedal ? David
 
   / I rolled my tractor #19  
I will probably regret getting back into this discussion, but here goes on my take as to how it works and why it doesn't. Most braking systems use a drum or rotor that is grabbed by a shoe or a disk brake pad. In both of these systems, the units are run dry. If Kubota had installed a brake rotor on the axle just inboard of the rear wheel, then it would act as a service brake and stop the tractor. It is my guess that they didn't feel there was a need for this, since the hydro pedal when you let up on it, is supposed to stop the tractor. There are two problem with this scenario. One the hydro pedal doesn't snap back to the neutral position like it did when the tractors were new. This is a manufacturing defect in my opinion in the Kubota BX series that Kubota has steadfast denied and will only correct if you have a selling dealer that is really going to the mat for you. Most dealers don't want to get into the repair, since it involves tearing down the hydro unit and replacing some internal bearings. This is a difficult and expensive job that Kubota in all probability doesn't pay the dealer sufficiently for. If it takes 12 hours, then they might only pay 10 hours and at a reduced rate. I believe that this has been corrected on the second generation of the BX tractor series.

The second reason that the brake doesn't hold the tractor is that it is internal to the hydro and it doesn't have enough friction to overcome the rolling forces that are present when the hydro is in neutral and the machine starts to move. Once this happens, it is difficult for the forces that you apply to the brake pedal to be transfered to the small mechanism that is designed to only hold the tractor once it is stopped. Try to stop your car using the "emergency" brake only when it is going 20 miles per hour. You will find that it is going to slow the vehicle, but not as fast as you might expect. The emergency brake on a car is also designed to hold the vehicle once it is stopped, but not to stop the vehicle once it is rolling. Someone mentioned a while back to carry a anchor. I have more than once put the loader into the ground to keep the tractor from rolling once it was stopped since the brake on the BX wouldn't hold the tractor on the slope with the transmission in neutral and the engine off. I have learned that the brake is only for holding on just about level ground, but not much more. When I know that I am going to be working on a slope, then I take the wheel chock from my ambulance and use it with the BX. More than once, I have felt that if the BX were to stall, I might go off the end of a cliff. For this reason, I don't take the tractor in many places that I had hoped to use it. The BX is a good machine, but don't ever over estimate its capabilities. If you do, you can get yourself into trouble real quick. It is a great flat land machine, but on steep slopes, it can become dangerous.
 
   / I rolled my tractor #20  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The emergency brake on a car is also designed to hold the vehicle once it is stopped, but not to stop the vehicle once it is rolling. )</font>

I think it is safe to say that each vehicles specific design will govern how well the emergency brake works.

The e-brak on my 87-thunderbird would lock the rear tires up if you stomped it... That's the same stopping power as a late model truck with rear drum brakes only...

Soundguy
 

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