IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season.

   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #51  
Greetings Ray,

I think you're missing a couple of key words in my post. I said "even the slightest side hill".

Hi AH,
No I didn't miss those words at all. I'm totally agreeing that an event like that can happen.
BUT my point is that you can and should try to prevent this. I disagree that ballast is only front and back. Having enough ballast on the back will offset the weight transfer to the tippy front axle and keep it on the solid rear axle. That right there helps the stability even if it is centered between the rear wheels. And some of the most effective side to side ballast is loaded tires and/or wheel weights. They don't transfer any weight off the front axle, so you may read here that they really aren't ballast and are only for traction. I believe those statements to be incorrect. They are certainly for traction, but loaded tires are excellent side to side ballast. And done in enough quantity and with other measures like wheel spacers can help make your 275 side pull less relevant.
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #52  
If the slightest side slope has that much of an effect on stability then you are not using the proper amount of ballast in the right place or have exceeded the lift ratings of the machine. Go back to the barn and add the proper counterweight so the machine is stable or lessen the load you are trying to lift. Something else to note is that it is considered an UNSAFE act to get off of a piece of equipment with the loader raised to begin with. Its right up there with not wearing a seat belt, operating with the ROPS down, working around a running PTO and rideing a motorcycle with no helmet.
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #53  
Let's say you are manually placing some kind of concrete block or brick in a raised bucket or raised forks/pallet supported platform. If you pile em up good and the tractor is on even the slightest of side hill . . If your load is elevated when you go to get on the tractor you can cause some tipping of the tractor. Not possible you say? Oh yes it is unless the load is light and the tractor very large . .




By tractor being (very large) - imo any properly ballasted SCUT, CUT or utility tractor- getting on the tractor with a heavy load in the bucket OR empty and slightly lifting a rear tire would be mortifying...

imo- set the load down and re-ballast tractor immediately.

that may include putting major weight on the 3 point if necessary fluid in tires or weights on rear wheels

Never had a SCUT but proper ballasting is achievable just like a larger tractor.
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #54  
Greetings Ray,



. Of side pull . . Side pull . . Not front pull . . Side pull. And additional ballast is about either front or back pull not side pull.

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This has me confused as to your train of thought on ballast. If the tractor has its tires firmly on the ground with proper ballast front to rear side loading would only be a problem if your using an attachment that is adding weight to one side but not the other that the manufacture did not prepare the machine for and the person who modified it to fit did not calculate for or you are operating it at an angle it was not designed for. I would trust that they did build the machine for use by a wide range of users including people of your weight This again leads back to the operator not using the proper amount of ballast or lifting more than the unit was designed to lift or improper calculation of the angle your operating on.

No matter how you slice it here you have made one of two mistakes. You don't understand how to properly weight your machine or you simply purchased a machine too small for the tasks you are trying to do and if you don't quickly fix the problem you are an accident waiting to happen!
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season.
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#56  
This has me confused as to your train of thought on ballast. If the tractor has its tires firmly on the ground with proper ballast front to rear side loading would only be a problem if your using an attachment that is adding weight to one side but not the other that the manufacture did not prepare the machine for and the person who modified it to fit did not calculate for or you are operating it at an angle it was not designed for. I would trust that they did build the machine for use by a wide range of users including people of your weight This again leads back to the operator not using the proper amount of ballast or lifting more than the unit was designed to lift or improper calculation of the angle your operating on.

No matter how you slice it here you have made one of two mistakes. You don't understand how to properly weight your machine or you simply purchased a machine too small for the tasks you are trying to do and if you don't quickly fix the problem you are an accident waiting to happen!

Greetings Paul,

Well you've made three posts that I don't agree with . . but I've let them slide without response because I believe everyone should be heard. But its time for me to respond because it appears you make a whale of a lot of assumptions.

In general you talk about the only solution to side pull is ballast and I disagree. You have never even hinted that widening of the stance is another and more effective effort compared to ballast. in other words spacers could change the situation also. My point on this issue is "a dangerous person is one who only sees one cause for one effect". I use the word "dangerous" not because of a gun or a knife or a club . . but because newer users of tractors (rookies) need to have open minds and thinking on many issues and situations . . not single focus that their viewpoint is the only legitimate one . . and that all others are wrong.

You've written some things that show that to me. Lets take one shall we? I had written that I was disappointed in an intelligent friend of mine because not only does he not use his tractor's seatbelt but he doesn't believe he needs one at all.

And you wrote that maybe he doesn't need it if he operates safely.

See Paul how you might be smart like my friend . . but not wise . . and that to me is "dangerous" teaching because neither you or my friend can use history as the predictor for what you don't know . . and how does any person operate safely (as you stated) if they aren't constantly searching for new concerns (either for themselves or their influence on others) ?

In short and in plain talk . . you imply my friend or you have all the answers to safe operations. I think that lacks humility and the understanding that words have power and influence over others.

Now for a second point.
I've emphasized in my posts on this thread that rookies shouldn't wait for something to happen to learn from it.

So I've done a great deal of testing as I add more and more hours on the engine . . not mindless testing . . but also targeted evaluation type testing. That means safety protocols and backup methods included. And I talk about that in my posts on this and other threads. Yet have you noticed Paul how you never ask questions . . Just make statements of opinion?

Its like you're some how clairvoyant and don't need to inquire about a user's method or conditions of operation. Its like you already have all the answers . . . and isn't that the biggest rookie mistake of all ?

Thanks for listening.
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season.
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#57  
I've had my first CUT for 4 months and 61 hours. Nothing to report. It's fine, I'm fine, stuff gets done.

That's a nice report to have. So have you learned anything in that 61 hours that you didn't know beforehand?
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #58  
As a pilot and a tractor owner, a lot of what applies to one applies to the other. Both are fun and safe IF you respect them and use them properly. Educate yourself and use common sense. There is an old pilot adage that I think applies here as well: There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots. I think you could substitute tractor owner for pilot and it would make just as much sense. Have fun but be safe.
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season.
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#59  
As a pilot and a tractor owner, a lot of what applies to one applies to the other. Both are fun and safe IF you respect them and use them properly. Educate yourself and use common sense. There is an old pilot adage that I think applies here as well: There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots. I think you could substitute tractor owner for pilot and it would make just as much sense. Have fun but be safe.

Texas . . thats exactly how I feel about my motorcycling past and current tractor use.

I discovered long ago that I drive cars and trucks differently than most people do because of my years motorcycling. On a small bike or a big one you learn quickly to watch for other people's driving as much as your own because they have bumpers and air bags and a biker doesn't . . So their mistakes can rapidly become my problems.

No bumpers in planes either :)
 
   / IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season. #60  
I've had my tractor for about 6 years now and have used it for a multitude of tasks from tilling to log skidding. I still consider myself a rookie too. My philosophy is the same I have when driving a car. Every time I get behind the wheel I'm scared to death! Not saying I'm not confident, just that I go out there with the idea that other people are trying to kill me.

Recognize danger and do your best to avoid it. It's like when the light turns green and you teach yourself to wait a few seconds before going in the intersection...how many times does another driver sail through trying to beat the light?

Most of the dangers of operating a tractor are quite obvious. Just have to teach yourself to avoid them and listen to that little voice that says something isn't right here. Also a basic understanding of physics is key...something my wife doesn't possess LOL:eek:
 

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