Illusion or reality...curved loader arms/hood...?

Bob_Skurka · Oct 4, 2004

<font color="blue"> what we have going here is an unscientific argument at best. </font>
Yea, but wouldn't it be nice to finally see 2 roughly equal loaders of different design compared side to side on the same piece of ground with the perspective taken from the same viewing level?

Realistically, I think any reasonably capable person can easily use any brand of loader, regardless of the design (Heck, I've used a bunch of different types and haven't killed anyone yet and rarely destroy anything). The added value of the curved loader arms as I portray them is a very reasonable thing to question. I know after using both I am sold on the curved style. But just because one is better for some people does not mean the other is obsolete or unusable. On the other hand, people who've never tried the new style units really don't know what they are missing because they are absolutely correct in saying what they have works.

I'm thinking of laying down some chalk lines on my driveway or maybe some strings on a flat part of my land and seeing what I can or can't see from the drivers seat. I know what I like, based on using both, but it would be nice to either prove me right or prove me wrong (and shut me up) on this issue . . . in a totally objective manner, using 2 loaders that are basic equals in terms of capacity.

The two tractors/loaders I'm planning on lining up are sitting at home. The TC24 has a breakout force of 1720# and lift of 1090# while the B2910 has a breakout force of 1684# and lift of 1060#, and those are so darn close in actual numbers that I think it is pretty fair to say that they are statistical equals. The B2910 has a long flat hood and square loader arms. The TC24 has the curved arms and curved & sloped hood. The B2910 has a 60" bucket, the TC24 has a 54", I am not sure the height of either bucket, but a taller bucket would increase visibility of the bucket but not visibility of objects in front of the tractor/bucket.

Cliff_Johns · Oct 4, 2004

Seems like there are several combined features here. The curved loader arms, the sloped hood and a higher seat. It's hard to distinguish which featurea are providing the advantages.

The higher seat may be an illusion too. When I sat on a TC24 it seemed like I was much farther up in the air than when I sat on a B7610 or the JD 4115, this would increase visibility, but I'm but sure the seat actually was higher, it may have just felt that way.

Cliff

Inspector507 · Oct 4, 2004

Henro........
My illusion is my own reality, I like the hood and curved arms on my TC18. I have never owned another tractor with a loader, so I can't really compare. The Yanmar had a real long square hood, but I had so little reason to see "around" it with out a loader.
I also LIKE the illusion that my TC18 sits me a bit higher up in the air.
Now, is it any more practical........dunno, but I'm happy with what I have, actually that's why it's out in the mini-barn right now.

rockyridgefarm · Oct 4, 2004

I drove NH, Kub, and JD side by side when I bougfht. The Kub was the hardest visibility, the NH was supposedly best, but really I saw no significant difference in the Deere.

But one thing that really help visibility is the plastic hood... I don't have to have a guard over it to protect it from regular oopses. It has shrugged off some pretty crazy falling objects...

BTW Steve, your 4310 view is differant than mine, where did you get the custum brush guard?!!

Rowski · Oct 4, 2004

My NH2120 had the boxy type loader arms. The New TN70DA has curved loader arms. Two different types of machines. But I think seeing more bucket is better, even if its not the bottom.

I haven't had time to look yet but....

Do curved loader arm offer more lift capcity or break out force?

Do they lower the actual weight of the loader?

pekabu · Oct 4, 2004

Well, after running a TC24 for a year, I am really in love with the design. The kioti looks like a NH, and JD now has a similar loader. When I compared the 12LA with the 7106, there was no comparison. 12LA hands down. I walked away from a dealer because they were pushing a 7106 setup that I wasn't interested in and didn't want to talke about getting a 12la setup for me.

The one thing I wonder about the LA loaders is the width at the rear frame, and the effect of the bucket has on it. So a Kubota has a fairly wide stance in the back (or at least I feel so) so if you lift something on one side does it have less twisting effect on the frame or more? My guess is that lifting something on the corner of the LA bucket exerts more twisting force on the arms, but I feek the loader is very beefy.

txdon · Oct 4, 2004

I think that 1st time buyers would learn quicker if they could see if they got any dirt in the loader and the curved hood would be a benefit. I know there were some first buckets that I thought were full and about two shovel fulls of dirt dropped out. However now with less than 100 hours I get a full scoop every time I think it has something to do with the sound of the motor, resistance of the push of the loader and the general ability to get the coordination of the driving forward, tilting up and raising up in a continuous motion that results in a full bucket.

So the reality is - it is a useful illusion that has a diminishing use.

But it continues to look good! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Deerlope · Oct 5, 2004

As I see it there are people used tractors today that have never used them before. How often do we see a post that someone says that they are a first time tractor buyer. I am in my 60's and have used all type of equipment all my life.Knowing what my loader is doing and when I have a full bucket is another sense so to say.

kensfarm · Oct 5, 2004

Here's another wrench thrown in.. the 17LA actually extends out further then other loaders because of the Super Steer functionality.

PineRidge · Oct 5, 2004

<font color="blue"> Here's another wrench thrown in.. the 17LA actually extends out further then other loaders because of the Super Steer functionality.

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Kensfarm I was wondering if anyone was going to catch me on that little technicality. Add quick attach and the load is out further still. While that does cut the loader weight lifting ability down a bit it also adds a lot to the visibility at the same time, a trade off of sorts.