Impact and Torque Wrenches
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Patrickg - topologically speaking - doesn't the rim of a wheel have two sides - the inside and the outside?
A Mobius strip has one side ...
(OK, OK, so it's not strictly speaking a polygon - but it is interesting!!)
Patrick
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An Engineer, a Physicist and a Mathematician were each placed in a room with a wooden table, a chair and a bucket of water, told to sit on the chair and the table set on fire.
The Engineer leapt up, ran to the bucket, picked it up and threw the water at the table, putting the fire out.
The Physicist got up, made some measurements, and then threw exactly the right amount of water over the fire so that it was put out, vapourising the water in the process, so the table was left dry.
The Mathematician got up, took out his notebook, looked at the burning table, looked at the bucket, made some calculations and said "Ah! A solution exists!" and sat down again, letting the table burn to a cinder.
A little while later the experiment was repeated, this time with the bucket of water placed on the table (they replaced the Mathematician's table).
The Engineer and Physicist did exactly the same as before.
The Mathematician looked at the table and bucket, then took the bucket off the table and put it on the floor, thereby reducing the problem to a previously solved one. He then sat down and let the table burn to a cinder again.
A Mobius strip has one side ...
(OK, OK, so it's not strictly speaking a polygon - but it is interesting!!)
Patrick
P.S.
An Engineer, a Physicist and a Mathematician were each placed in a room with a wooden table, a chair and a bucket of water, told to sit on the chair and the table set on fire.
The Engineer leapt up, ran to the bucket, picked it up and threw the water at the table, putting the fire out.
The Physicist got up, made some measurements, and then threw exactly the right amount of water over the fire so that it was put out, vapourising the water in the process, so the table was left dry.
The Mathematician got up, took out his notebook, looked at the burning table, looked at the bucket, made some calculations and said "Ah! A solution exists!" and sat down again, letting the table burn to a cinder.
A little while later the experiment was repeated, this time with the bucket of water placed on the table (they replaced the Mathematician's table).
The Engineer and Physicist did exactly the same as before.
The Mathematician looked at the table and bucket, then took the bucket off the table and put it on the floor, thereby reducing the problem to a previously solved one. He then sat down and let the table burn to a cinder again.
patrickg
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You said: I guess mathematicians wouldnt be very effective football players.
How do you figure that?
OK I know it was a cheap laugh.
I can see Josh Heupel of OU Sooners fame (Recent Orange Bowl wining quarter back...Heisman runner up) Brings HP reverse polish notation calculator to huddle, does quick check of parameters in the memory locations, calls the play, fades back into the pocket, scans for open receivers, calculates trajectories using formulae from deadly force discussions on tractorbynet, and is sacked while contemplating Zeno's paradox about how the ball would go half way to where the receiver would be going half way to... about only way OU could lose. Sorry, I don't usually get caught up in sports. I only watched two televised games in last year. OU at finals, and OU at Orange Bowl. Exciting stuff.
Next, I plan to watch some of the upcoming Olympic games.
Patrick
How do you figure that?
OK I know it was a cheap laugh.
I can see Josh Heupel of OU Sooners fame (Recent Orange Bowl wining quarter back...Heisman runner up) Brings HP reverse polish notation calculator to huddle, does quick check of parameters in the memory locations, calls the play, fades back into the pocket, scans for open receivers, calculates trajectories using formulae from deadly force discussions on tractorbynet, and is sacked while contemplating Zeno's paradox about how the ball would go half way to where the receiver would be going half way to... about only way OU could lose. Sorry, I don't usually get caught up in sports. I only watched two televised games in last year. OU at finals, and OU at Orange Bowl. Exciting stuff.
Next, I plan to watch some of the upcoming Olympic games.
Patrick
patrickg
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RPM, thanks for digging up that old chestnut, I hadn't heard that in years. Still a good chuckle.
Now then to IMPORTANT things.
ATTENTION EVERYONE!!! RPM has not only solved the "low thump" one sided wheel problem, while being too modest to take credit for it being, in fact, an infinite sided polygon (with a twist) but has simultaneously and elegantly solved it in terms of the great catepillar track debate raging on this site. You make your catepillar tracks out of a mobius strip achieving as did water powered and steam powered belt driven factory equipment decades ago, even wear on both sides and thus greater longivity.
Elegance, practicality, utility (futility??) the tracked vehicle prototype fitted with RPM's mobius strip breakthrough should have a girl type name since it is customary to name things of great beauty, grace, or speed in the feminine gender (quoting the rich kid in the "Our Gang Comedies", commenting on naming his racer.
So I submit we need a contest to name the Mobius Tracked Vehicle Prototype Something alluring, feminine, suggestive not MoTracVeProt plug ugly.
Patrick
Now then to IMPORTANT things.
ATTENTION EVERYONE!!! RPM has not only solved the "low thump" one sided wheel problem, while being too modest to take credit for it being, in fact, an infinite sided polygon (with a twist) but has simultaneously and elegantly solved it in terms of the great catepillar track debate raging on this site. You make your catepillar tracks out of a mobius strip achieving as did water powered and steam powered belt driven factory equipment decades ago, even wear on both sides and thus greater longivity.
Elegance, practicality, utility (futility??) the tracked vehicle prototype fitted with RPM's mobius strip breakthrough should have a girl type name since it is customary to name things of great beauty, grace, or speed in the feminine gender (quoting the rich kid in the "Our Gang Comedies", commenting on naming his racer.
So I submit we need a contest to name the Mobius Tracked Vehicle Prototype Something alluring, feminine, suggestive not MoTracVeProt plug ugly.
Patrick
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how did the tracks end up here??????
Hi ya
yep that belt may solve some probs but (ya going to hate me for this)the steam belts worked out of the mud and dust also prob with making track like that is running a twist on a 16-30 inch wide belt over a short length ,haveing tread on both sides that line up with ya driveing wheel i think holt got it right frist time .
and on a footnote for you viewers at home tune in next week when we reinvent the wheel only on TBN
sorry guys just had to say it,, but has been a good mind bender i bet beside a few computers at home there is drawings of tracks wheels etc etc trying to see both sides ..funny thing is if we only worked on maths the wright bros would be still sitting on the beach working out if it would fly or not
catch ya
JD Kid
Hi ya
yep that belt may solve some probs but (ya going to hate me for this)the steam belts worked out of the mud and dust also prob with making track like that is running a twist on a 16-30 inch wide belt over a short length ,haveing tread on both sides that line up with ya driveing wheel i think holt got it right frist time .
and on a footnote for you viewers at home tune in next week when we reinvent the wheel only on TBN
sorry guys just had to say it,, but has been a good mind bender i bet beside a few computers at home there is drawings of tracks wheels etc etc trying to see both sides ..funny thing is if we only worked on maths the wright bros would be still sitting on the beach working out if it would fly or not
catch ya
JD Kid
patrickg
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Re: how did the tracks end up here??????
Right on, JD. The bumble bee not knowing that aerodynamicists had determined that given its weight, frame, musculature, energy source, etc couldn't fly, flew anyway 'cause he didn't read the report.
Any body ever nick name you, Cap'n????
Patrick
Right on, JD. The bumble bee not knowing that aerodynamicists had determined that given its weight, frame, musculature, energy source, etc couldn't fly, flew anyway 'cause he didn't read the report.
Any body ever nick name you, Cap'n????
Patrick
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Being seriously outgunned here by the math-types, I'm going to toss out an old favoriteand flee.
I don't know if math is applicable /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif!
Can GOD make a rock so big that he can't pick it up?
(I know, I know, ...I posted this one somewhere on TBN before /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif )
Larry
I don't know if math is applicable /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif!
Can GOD make a rock so big that he can't pick it up?
(I know, I know, ...I posted this one somewhere on TBN before /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif )
Larry
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Hi ya
this one of those chicken V's egg kinda deals??? like ya self i'm not a math's guy but work out things from a hands on kinda way, like working out how patrickg's box blade bent and how to make it stronger ,but working out how many PSI in a golfball hit by tiger woods on mar's with a 5 iron in to a 100 knot wind in a dark stormy night on xmas eve 2002 ya'll lose me each time
bout this god rock thing clear up this point i thought he/she (yea yea nonbeliver here)only made liveing things rock would not fall in to this group also to lift some thing ya have to frist be standing on something .
kinda like picking up a bucket while standing in it
catch ya
JD Kid
this one of those chicken V's egg kinda deals??? like ya self i'm not a math's guy but work out things from a hands on kinda way, like working out how patrickg's box blade bent and how to make it stronger ,but working out how many PSI in a golfball hit by tiger woods on mar's with a 5 iron in to a 100 knot wind in a dark stormy night on xmas eve 2002 ya'll lose me each time
bout this god rock thing clear up this point i thought he/she (yea yea nonbeliver here)only made liveing things rock would not fall in to this group also to lift some thing ya have to frist be standing on something .
kinda like picking up a bucket while standing in it
catch ya
JD Kid
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Thanks for the comment Gordon. The truck is an unfinished project but useable. Unfortunately I attached the wrong picture. My appologies, makes me look like some ego triper. Apparently, I have an unmet configuration management challenge. Was supposed to be a picture of just the wheel well with the torque wrench leaning against the tire. I always wondered when senility would set in. Got it figured, this month.
Patrick
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Patrick,
Close only counts in horse shoes, hand grenades and ball room dancing.
SHF
Close only counts in horse shoes, hand grenades and ball room dancing.
SHF
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Na, I don't think your an ego tripper or else I wouldn't have commented on the truck. I liked the first picture better than the one with the torque wrench though. Nothing better than a nice worktruck.
On the subject of torque wrenches I've got from inch pounds up to major foot pound wrenches. Used to use them on a daily basis. Now they only get used once in awhile. My new job all tools are supplied by the employer. Sure is nice not to have to worry about the good old tool bill.
As for impact guns I've got guns made by Ingersall Rand. Well the one half inch drive is Mac tools racing gun. But it's made by I/R mac just puts thier name on it. Tough as nails. ya get what ya pay for when it comes to tools.
If I was going to buy an impact for around the house use only go for a decent name brand. That way down the road if you do need to have the gun rebuilt then parts might still be availabe. I say might!
Another thing that is key to any airtool---KEEP IT OILED---when your finished using it for the day remove the airhose and put a few drops of oil in the gun. Replace air hose and burp the gun a couple of times. Some guns have oil supplies built into the gun. Some also have grease fitting for the gun as well. The nicer the gun the more bells it will have. This also equals longer life as well.
To all the guys that are using a torque wrench on a regular basis at the house. How accurate is it????? Do you really know? How tight is tight? Is it better to be tighter or looser than a certian spec?/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Gordon
On the subject of torque wrenches I've got from inch pounds up to major foot pound wrenches. Used to use them on a daily basis. Now they only get used once in awhile. My new job all tools are supplied by the employer. Sure is nice not to have to worry about the good old tool bill.
As for impact guns I've got guns made by Ingersall Rand. Well the one half inch drive is Mac tools racing gun. But it's made by I/R mac just puts thier name on it. Tough as nails. ya get what ya pay for when it comes to tools.
If I was going to buy an impact for around the house use only go for a decent name brand. That way down the road if you do need to have the gun rebuilt then parts might still be availabe. I say might!
Another thing that is key to any airtool---KEEP IT OILED---when your finished using it for the day remove the airhose and put a few drops of oil in the gun. Replace air hose and burp the gun a couple of times. Some guns have oil supplies built into the gun. Some also have grease fitting for the gun as well. The nicer the gun the more bells it will have. This also equals longer life as well.
To all the guys that are using a torque wrench on a regular basis at the house. How accurate is it????? Do you really know? How tight is tight? Is it better to be tighter or looser than a certian spec?/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Gordon
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JDKid,
<font color=blue>bout this god rock thing clear up this point i thought he/she (yea yea nonbeliver here)only made liveing things rock would not fall in to this group also to lift some thing ya have to frist be standing on something .
kinda like picking up a bucket while standing in it
</font color=blue>
All the teachings I've seen, and the "believers", claim two things, ..that (their-version-of)God made everything, and that He can do anything. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Reconciling these two with "the rock thing" is the point of the puzzle. Usually leads to mumbling about "working-in-mysterious-ways" (which explains nothing, of course), ...and an increase in atmospheric tension. /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif
Larry
<font color=blue>bout this god rock thing clear up this point i thought he/she (yea yea nonbeliver here)only made liveing things rock would not fall in to this group also to lift some thing ya have to frist be standing on something .
kinda like picking up a bucket while standing in it
</font color=blue>
All the teachings I've seen, and the "believers", claim two things, ..that (their-version-of)God made everything, and that He can do anything. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Reconciling these two with "the rock thing" is the point of the puzzle. Usually leads to mumbling about "working-in-mysterious-ways" (which explains nothing, of course), ...and an increase in atmospheric tension. /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif
Larry
patrickg
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Gordon, Thanks for friendly interpretation. The good news of buying your own tools is that they are 100% writeoff
A N D they are yours to use all the time A N D you don't lose them if you change jobs. Of course it can be a very expensive evolution. A plumber just put a few feet of PEX tubing in at my mom's new house. Cows leaned on frost free faucett and broke a 6 in piece of PEX. Locke Supply wanted $160 for crimping tool to crimp PEX connections. LOuckily I was 10 min late getting there to buy it and they closed at noon on Sat. This "F O R C E D" me to buy it at Lowes for $98.
Patrick
A N D they are yours to use all the time A N D you don't lose them if you change jobs. Of course it can be a very expensive evolution. A plumber just put a few feet of PEX tubing in at my mom's new house. Cows leaned on frost free faucett and broke a 6 in piece of PEX. Locke Supply wanted $160 for crimping tool to crimp PEX connections. LOuckily I was 10 min late getting there to buy it and they closed at noon on Sat. This "F O R C E D" me to buy it at Lowes for $98.
Patrick
Bird
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<font color=blue>key to any airtool---KEEP IT OILED---when your finished using it for the day remove the airhose and put a few drops of oil in the gun. Replace air hose and burp the gun a couple of times</font color=blue>
Gordon, you trying to put the air tool repairmen out of business?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I'm afraid that even those who use the air tool oil tend to do it before they use the tool and don't think about doing it afterwards as they should, to get rid of any moisture that came through the air hose.
Bird
Gordon, you trying to put the air tool repairmen out of business?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I'm afraid that even those who use the air tool oil tend to do it before they use the tool and don't think about doing it afterwards as they should, to get rid of any moisture that came through the air hose.
Bird
gordon
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Shoot Bird now I remember what I forgot to post the first time around.
ALWAYS use some sort of a filter/water separator as well in the air line. Sharpe makes some nice ones. They catch the water and impruities from the air line instead of the air tool being used.
Sorry Bird I had to do it for the good of all./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Gordon
ALWAYS use some sort of a filter/water separator as well in the air line. Sharpe makes some nice ones. They catch the water and impruities from the air line instead of the air tool being used.
Sorry Bird I had to do it for the good of all./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Gordon
Bird
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<font color=blue>Sorry Bird I had to do it for the good of all.</font color=blue>
That's all right, Gordon. I think this air tool repairman is going to be out of the business after this weekend anyway; selling it to a shop in town./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Bird
That's all right, Gordon. I think this air tool repairman is going to be out of the business after this weekend anyway; selling it to a shop in town./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Bird
Larry,
Re: <font color=blue>Can GOD make a rock so big that he can't pick it up?</font color=blue>
Given that in most theistic belief systems, if God exists then he created the universe ... we need to look at the wider problem.
Rocks I don't think would be a problem. You and me are supposed to be able to handle mountains:
Matthew 17:19-20 : 'For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.'
(By the way, stump removal can be handled in a similar manner ... Luke 17:5-6 "The apostles said to the Lord, 'Increase our faith!' The Lord replied. 'If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.'")
When you get to a larger scale, gravity becomes an issue. It's not so much you lifting the rock - as the rock pulling you toward it. Einstein, of course, deduced with his General Theory of Relativity that gravity was a warping of the space-time continuum. This happens to a minor degree for planets - gravity is a 'weak' force (as compared to a 'strong' force like electrostatics).
Going up the scale from planets (small ones are large and rocky, bigger ones are gaseous with metal cores) you get to stars and then strange objects such as the White Dwarf. A White Dwarf is a collapsed star - extremely dense. (A teaspoon of matter from a White Dwarf is estimated to weigh around 5 tons.) Toward the end of the spectrum for gravitational pull you find the black hole ...
... and at the extreme end of the spectrum would be the 'singularity' from which astro-physicists theorize the whole universe emerged in the 'Big Bang'. This 'singularity' represented the entire mass of today's universe in a point source.
None of this is evidence for or against the existence of God. But, if He is around - then I would suspect that rocks wouldn't be a problem. I doubt that the laws of physics would apply somehow. If He exists, He was certainly able to handle that singularity too.
Patrick
P.S. Some would say that from Einstein's famous equation, mass is related to energy etc. Therefore, if God is energy the bigger the rock he creates the less energy he has (conversion of His energy to rock's mass).
I don't subscribe to that - if God exists it would be in some state that we have no way of currently detecting. If God was energy we would have had some kind of blip on some kind of meter by now.
Re: <font color=blue>Can GOD make a rock so big that he can't pick it up?</font color=blue>
Given that in most theistic belief systems, if God exists then he created the universe ... we need to look at the wider problem.
Rocks I don't think would be a problem. You and me are supposed to be able to handle mountains:
Matthew 17:19-20 : 'For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.'
(By the way, stump removal can be handled in a similar manner ... Luke 17:5-6 "The apostles said to the Lord, 'Increase our faith!' The Lord replied. 'If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.'")
When you get to a larger scale, gravity becomes an issue. It's not so much you lifting the rock - as the rock pulling you toward it. Einstein, of course, deduced with his General Theory of Relativity that gravity was a warping of the space-time continuum. This happens to a minor degree for planets - gravity is a 'weak' force (as compared to a 'strong' force like electrostatics).
Going up the scale from planets (small ones are large and rocky, bigger ones are gaseous with metal cores) you get to stars and then strange objects such as the White Dwarf. A White Dwarf is a collapsed star - extremely dense. (A teaspoon of matter from a White Dwarf is estimated to weigh around 5 tons.) Toward the end of the spectrum for gravitational pull you find the black hole ...
... and at the extreme end of the spectrum would be the 'singularity' from which astro-physicists theorize the whole universe emerged in the 'Big Bang'. This 'singularity' represented the entire mass of today's universe in a point source.
None of this is evidence for or against the existence of God. But, if He is around - then I would suspect that rocks wouldn't be a problem. I doubt that the laws of physics would apply somehow. If He exists, He was certainly able to handle that singularity too.
Patrick
P.S. Some would say that from Einstein's famous equation, mass is related to energy etc. Therefore, if God is energy the bigger the rock he creates the less energy he has (conversion of His energy to rock's mass).
I don't subscribe to that - if God exists it would be in some state that we have no way of currently detecting. If God was energy we would have had some kind of blip on some kind of meter by now.
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