Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station

   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #61  
I travel a lot. I check my credit cards just about everyday on my phone (app called mint.com if anyone is interested. Uses the same security as your bank). I also track my bank account balances...

I routinely see a charge for one extra night on my hotel. It gets corrected when I check out. I have an arbitrary limit of $18k on my credit cards, though, and I can raise that with a call to the credit card company. I once paid for my new truck on a credit card just so I could get the cash back. Of course, I always pay the credit card off in full every month. Always have, ever since I got my first one.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #62  
Come on folks and settle down. Think of the days when you pulled up there was someone to put in fuel, got the tires checked, windows washed, windshield washer filled, oil checked an maybe even the air filter checked. All you did was sit in the car and hand the credit card out the window.:thumbsup:

Well that may be your idea of the good old days. In my teens I was that guy and had to put up with the folks that came in and did not know what they needed/wanted. Even better they serially would ask you to check each item after telling you they did not want them checked on the initial conversation.

Under current Oregon law you still have to do that but no tire, windows, or oil check. They have a law that says that their "trained fueler" must do all gas dispensing. Got to have jobs for the untrained, unemployable folks. Most of them are such idiots and you end up waiting in line for twice to three times as long as it should take as they are fueling 5-6 cars and there is a lot of down time waiting for fueling to start and then to have the hose removed and receipt given to you. Heaven help you if you even think about touching the hose or the pump. The number of times my thirty gallon tank has gotten less than ten gallons before they say it is full because they go to first cutoff. If the handle is overly sensitive that happens if the flow is on anything other than trickle. If you have a diesel the law allows you to pump your own for some reason.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #63  
Most places nowadays will thunk you are running off if you move the car.. Besides, the pump wont reset until they pay anyways..

Actually, they can stack two transactions on each pump.
You could fill a can with premium, reset and fill your vehicle, and not gave to pay until you are done.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #64  
. . . If you have a diesel the law allows you to pump your own for some reason.

That's because everyone knows that us diesel drivers are smarter than everybody else! :D
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #65  
This could well be a "Canadian thing". I often joke in that manner, but am being serious here - it may be due to differences in banking/financing/retail laws between our countries.

But..... maybe not. What I stumbled upon was definitely a glimpse "behind the curtain, at the shadowy figure pulling the levers". Simply put, the amounts I describe never appeared on my printed statements (I don't bank online). Back then, I was doing a great deal of driving for business, and was regularily using my Ccard at the pump - point being, these ghost background transactions (that were secretly tying up my credit, short term) must have been filtered out when my monthly statements were printed. I only found out about this practice during a detailed phone discussion with my Ccard company, concerning a purchase un-related to gasoline stations.

There is an industry term (that I've forgotten) for what they are doing - something like "reserving credit", but that's not it, it is a more accurately descriptive wording. A couple of years later, I had another conversation with my Ccard company about this practice - that's where this terminology came up. Late night conversation, and the guy was chatty, said "Well, you think that gas station situation is irritating.. check this out....."

The example he used was booking an airline ticket. Lets say you decide to take the wife to Vegas, and want to manage the trip with a $5k credit card. Pay down the card to zero, book the flight/room for say $1200 (crazy #, but run with it), planning to have $3800 on the card to "play" with in Vegas. Now, what some airlines will do is Reserve Credit "in case" the person flying "decides at the last minute" to upgrade to First Class. What I describe here is the exact situation that the guy at the Ccard company described (I'm making up the #s, but the dynamics are verbatim), and when I seemed incredulous, he said "Yes, airlines do this all the time, it is common".

This is going on (at least for Canadian residents) very quietly in the backrooms of Ecommerce. Typically people only brush against this in Vegas, when they find out that there is much less than $3800 limit left on their card. If you have a high limit (relative to your spending) card, you'll likely never notice.

I'm nosey (esp. concerning #'s) and happened to follow this trail of breadcrumbs down the rabbit hole. Quite an education. Under Canadian banking law, it appears that a company that you deal with can "reserve credit" on your card, w/o letting you know - basically whenever they feel like it, and using arbitrary amounts.

I can see where this makes sense for a hotel. You book for 2 nights @ $80, so let's say they allow for a few phone calls, and a bit of room service and reserve say $275 to protect themselves. I think that may have been the original intent of these ghostly laws I still don't fully understand.

The airline example is clearly abusive, but apparently, legal in Canada.

One young lady I talked to at the Ccard company immediately commented that she personally found out about the gas station situation when she got out of school with a $500 Ccard. Bought $10 of gas here, $10 there.... and pretty quickly hit her limit.

I find it objectionable that these companies can tie up my credit w/o informing me. If these retail companies reconciled these "credit reserves" instantly a) I never would have stumbled across this, and b) I wouldn't likely be as grumpy about it, even if I did find out. I took the time to politely discuss this practice with the manager of a large gas station - he confirmed that the reconciliation of the "reserve credit" can easily take days normally.

I'm not familiar enough with USA Banking/Retail laws to know if these ghost transactions are going on south of the 49'th.

The Ccard company I deal with is a major one, I just don't feel like naming it in a public forum.

Caveat Emptor.

Rgds, D.

Every pay at the pump gas station i have used asks how much you want to pre authorize the credit card transaction for. That seams pretty straight forward and upfront to me.

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   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #66  
Every pay at the pump gas station i have used asks how much you want to pre authorize the credit card transaction for. That seams pretty straight forward and upfront to me.

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Only in debit, up here they are set to pre authorize for $100.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #67  
Oregon still no self service for fuel. Seems that nearly all Diesel pumps are set up for easy access. California is a different story in the citys.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #68  
Actually, they can stack two transactions on each pump.
You could fill a can with premium, reset and fill your vehicle, and not gave to pay until you are done.

Not ones I have seen.. I have tried that before, switching octanes, to no avail.
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #69  
Heh, one time I was filling my truck with gas from a combo pump, and some dude in a Dodge Cummins came up and was glaring at me while he waited in line. I let him glare for a good long time while I finished up fueling the truck, before I opened the hatch and pulled out two yellow 5-gal diesel cans for my Kubota and filled them next. As far as I was concerned, I outranked him on that event, since I was using *both* nozzles on the pump.... The downside there is pumps won't let you switch fuels on the same transaction, so you have to swipe for each fuel.

Near my old house, one lane in the gas station had pairs of pumps in each island, about 20 feet apart so two cars could fuel in each line. I used to love that one when towing my Kubota on a trailer, as I could pull in and start gassing the truck at one pump, then go back and put 5-6 gal of diesel in the Kubota. It was a 50/50 chance whether I could make it happen though, depending on who else was there and how they were parked next to the islands.

i don't know of a single pump in my area that will let you swipe mor ethan once without going inside.. thus I can't do the 2 pump thing.. though i'm long enough on the trailer to take the whole isle and do so..
 
   / Inconsiderate Idiots at the gas station #70  
an idiom that seldom helps.

if i didn't need to 'do that' then i wouldn't be at the dr complaining of the hurt when i do 'it'.

neat cathphrases are good for folded oriental cookies.

ps.. i'mnot cynical.. i'm a realist

It is all small stuff..... Wisdom there.

Managing day to day though, I've learned to avoid the hot buttons that most of us carry around - it ain't worth the aggravation.

Like the joke - "Doctor, it hurts when I do this (patient moves arm)". Doctor: "Well then, don't do that".

Rgds, D.
 

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