Inconsiderate Neighbor?

[Rick572]

I've tried...I know that I should stay out of it ...But at the risk of ruffling a few feathers, I respectifully request a futher comment on this subject.

Now lets see. Your "Inconsiderate neighbor" is planning to build a large garage with a appartment on his property, and it may require a septic system. He also has a radio tower with flashing lights which shine into your bedroom at night. And you suspect he is claiming some on your property as his and you are not knowledgeable of the survey. And you have been there for 3 months. Have I got this about right?

Well, did you talk to this "inconsiderate neighbor" before you purchased the property. Did you know that it was his plans to build the garage and that it may include a septic system? Was the tower there before you bought the property, at its present height, and did it shine in your window before you bought the property? Did you do any investigation prior to buying the property. Sounds to me like you have discovered a lot of negitive things after the purchase and now choose to change or restrict the actions of this neighbor. Kinda like people who buy a house at he end of an airport runway, then complain about airplanes.

I am in a very simular situation. I have lived on my property for 10 years with no neighbors to deal with. Now the property next to me has sub-divided and I am about to get 10 new neighbors, with our property line being my existing fence. (I know my survey) We have lived in paradise for the past 10 years, without the noise dogs, kids, music and loss of privacy of having neighbors. Do you think these people are going to be considerate of my loss as they move in. I don't think so.

I have also operated a pet cemetery since 1994, which has become a significant part of my income, and some of my new neighbors will have a pet cemetery within 20ft of their back fence. I don't expect some of them my like that. I suspect some will buy their little dream home and complain about every
thing later, maybe even that my pet cemetery is hurting their property value. I'm doing everything to inform the people before they buy, because I don't believe they are responsible enough to find out on their own. They probably won't like my barn either, or several junk Willys sitting around, and maybe they won't like my little kobota running around making noise many times after dark. But I'm here, they are moving in, and yes, I will have to put up with them and they will well have to put up with me.

Yep...I guess in some peoples eyes I am becoming an "Inconsiderate Neighbor". But, for my point of view, consideration is a two way street.

I appoligize for rambling, but this is kinda a hot subject for me right now.

Rick

 

[Roy]

Rick; A few years ago, a builder built a large community in VA next to an airport (Dulles International). People bought the houses, moved in, and then proceeded to complain to the FAA about the noise level. The airport has been there since 1962! The thing is big, you can't possible miss it! I remember one homeowner being interviewed on a news station saying yeah, he knew it was there, but didn't think planes were so loud /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif.

 

[M. Sullivan]

Good points on folks trying to change things when they move-in, Rick. Looks like you're going beyond your responsibilities in your case--anyone taking issue thereafter has only themselves to blame (and certainly cannot label you inconsiderate). Keep in mind you will have the law on your side if one of the new neighbors tries to infringe on your rights. I think this is the key issue in Rhody's case too: The stuff he mentions (sans the tower if it is allowed under ordinance) are not reasonable expectations of use based on law. One has to be able to expect that sanitation regulations and basic boundary/ownership rights will be adhered to and respected. He has every right to demand they are enforced--and I certainly would for health, safety and financial security. Other than that, it is the responsibility of the buyer to understand what is allowed in their zoning district and decide if they can live with it if it ever came to pass. As you said, research it--usually just a short trip to the municipalities building/zoning dept. and county health dept... Unfortunately this is something the vast majority of (sub)urbanites are ignorant of when the move to the 'country'.

 

[cowboydoc]

I ran into a little of this too. Two years ago the cell phone company came to me and wanted to build a tower on my property. They would pay me $25,000 for a 1/4 acre of ground up front to lease. $2000 a month rent after that. They do all the maintenance on the road and the lot. I talked to the guys around me and only one had a problem with it. I wasn't going to do it then because I didn't want any upset neighbors. Well it came time to do it or not. I told them I didn't think I could. They asked why and I told them I had neighbor that didn't want me to do it. They asked who it was. Then they told me that the guy that didn't want me to do it was calling them everyday offering them to do it on his land if I didn't do it! I signed the contract that day. Anyway the point is that you have to be careful on the neighbor thing both ways. It's surely a give and take both ways.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

{next to our property... higher elevation}

Cell company here was similar...

Usage of 1 acre @ $1200 mo. lease, and entire property taxes paid annually for 25 years.

 

[DarinRay]

All I have to say is I need a cell tower on our land. Shoot they can lease all our land for that kind of dough. Just wonder what kind of energy is being transferred there though. Don't think I would mind though. Anyway sorta thinking out loud here.

 

[Bird]

I'm with you, DarinRay. For $1,200 a month they can do any darned thing they want to with my 10 acres./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird

 

[cowboydoc]

John,
They started out here at that and then when I said no they raised it to the $2k. I really wasn't trying to hold them up I just didn't want any upset neighbors. I guess when they put them up they are very specific about where they have to go to overlap their other tower's coverage.

 

[markcg2000]

Our cell company offered $650/mth, no up front payment. I was all for it, but the town decided that "all" those towers were an eye-sore and made it too difficult for the company to follow through /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif.

mark

 

[Snell]

If you are traveling through NY in the Adirondack Mountain area, you can forget bringing your cell phone. It has been designated "forever wild" and no cell towers are allowed to be put up at all (except in a couple small towns). Looking at cell phone options, the companies make it clear to you you will not get coverage in approx 1/3 of the state due to this. Why is it the "gov't" feels they can do better at land managment then the people who depend on it for a living? There are numerous farmers up here who have lost some of their best crop producing land because it was redesignated "lowland"... required to let it go back to "natural" state and now it is useless swamp... there is always a low percentage of people in any profession who abuse their responsibilities... but I would think land conservation is in the best interest to farmers and we are at the point where government intervention has gone too far. Wow... I've gotten way off the topic... sorry for the ramblings.

 

[cowboydoc]

Yea you're right we're off topic here Snell but you are right on the money. As Rush would say, enviromentalist wackos!!! I was channel surfing the other night and came on that Politically Incorrect show and they were actually blaming all the worlds problems on MEAT! I kid you not. There were four well known actors there and that guy Mike from survivor that killed the pig. They were all ganging up on him for killing the pig and saying how demonic meat was! That lady that used to play on cheers, the small obnoxious one, anyway she said that because of meat was the reason for the school shootings!!! NO JOKE. Her response was that the only reason to have guns is to hunt, and the only reason people hunt is for meat. So if noone ate meat then there would be need for guns and therefore our schools would be safe! Then that idiot Bill whatever said that all of our healthcare problems are because of eating meat. If everyone was a vegetarian then there wouldn't be heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, etc. Then went on with some other wacko ideas. I really can't believe that people actually think this way.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>Then went on with some other wacko ideas</font color=blue>

Doc,

What is really sad, is a number of viewers actually accept this as "gospel" and pass this on as "fact" to others...

"Gee Whiz, I heard/seen/read this on radio/tv/newspaper the other day... so it must be <font color=red>fact</font color=red>"

{I guess the same now goes with internet forums...}

 

[Thomas]

cowboydoc,
Not to get of the subject,but year or so ago there was a good size animal rights protest.
Now many people were carrying signs and and saying there motto,but if one look close at them one could see there fur line gloves mittens and cow hide belts etc.. I felt like saying to them practice what you preach.

Doesn't Bill Like McDoanlds..geeze I wonder when he had those big steak dinners at the white house if he push his plate to one side and had tofu instead..yeah right.

I wonder how many of those people enjoy there bbq's,and isn't kinda funny they don't say much about fish products.

Far as guns...maybe people have forgotten thats why we live in a free country,also help to put food on the table during the rough times.

oops..I better scoot before I really get to going it.

Have a pleasant day down there.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[TWINKLE_TOES]

vegetarian (vej' ter'ean) n. [VEGET(ABLE) + ARIAN] Old Indian word, means Lousy Hunter.

 

[Wingnut]

darn, sure wish I coulda got in on all that. The place I bought here in Michigan came with a free cell tower. Seriously, the original owner had sold off the land to the cell tower company quite a few years ago. So I have a cell tower in the back yard, and a 36 foot wide chunk past it to the 7+ acres in the back. I'd love to get the land back - at a reasonable price - just 'cause it's such a waste having that pasture there and seeing it go to waste. And seeing the weeds creep further and further. I've steadily encrouched on it ... used a prtable electric fence to give the wife's minis and extra 2 acres of grass ... and I'm tempted to ask the cell people to let me lease the whole thing (and keep it cut, etc) ... but I'm afraid if I asked them formally ... they'd "officially" know I'm using it and kick me off. As long as I have this portable stuff that can come down at a moments notice ... they're sort of ignopring me.
Now if I could but it back and lease it to them at a profit ... yeah, right!

too bad that common sense ain't

 

[geneP]

I've often wondered why cell phone companies don't buy the land for the towers. When you figure what it costs them over the life of the contract they could buy the whole farm!

Lease payments must very widly acording to location. I understand a landowner close to me gets $350/mo, and a company offered me $500/mo. They're using about 2 acres, and will let me run livestock, or farm the land.

 

[LilRhody]

As I stated in my first post...HIS property...could care less what he does with HIS property. I knew about the tower and really do care less. It was erected several years before; it is my other neighbors that have the problem with it. I have nothing to compare it with (how can I miss something I never had???) I know these cell companies pay crazy money for towers. It could very well be that other neighbors passed on the cell deal and have become jealous. Mere speculation. Septic systems and well water is all new to me...thus, my original concerns. I have checked with Town Hall. A permit exists for a garage, but, NO dwelling/apartment. Once the 3+ feet of snow melts, I plan on re-visiting the surveyor posts.
I'm sure some of the other New Englanders can relate to dealing with SWAMP YANKEES I won't even begin to tell you about the guy who chases people with a shotgun because they drove by his house...

 

[Roy]

LilRhody; Do revisit those surveyors post when the snow is gone. Even if the structure is on his property, find out what your local setback restrictions are. In most jurisdictions, you cannot build right-on-the line.

In my county (which I expect is the norm), they tend to take your word for it. You have to provide a plat, showing where the structure will be located with respect to your lines. When the inspector comes out, they don't survey or measure; they simply accept what you say is the lines. They mainly rely on neighbors raising the flags for them. (This made sense, in the past. They couldn't take the time and cost to validate lines. With today's technology, all it would take is a database listing property boundaries and a hand-held GPS receiver).


Roy

 

[dmccarty]

Richard,

Ah well since we went off topic what the heck... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

The People's Pharmacy this weekend mentioned a study on the a certain type of stroke that is NOT prevelant in the US but which is very prevelant in Japan. Apparently in countries with a diet low in meats they have low cholesteral. This is supposed to be a good thing. Think Again. The problem is that you need SOME cholesteral to BUILD healthy blood vessels! To much cholesteral and you clog the vessels. Not enough and the vessels fail! The stroke in the low meat eating diets was because of the blood vessels being weakened from a lack of cholesteral.

Its all about balance. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

And I thought the anti gun people were only out to stop the criminals. HCI is supposedly NOT against hunting....

Yeah Right...

Dan

 

[GlueGuy]

Re: Balance

Dan,

You hit the nail right on the head!

At my last checkup, the Doc said that my LDL (the bad cholesterol) was a "little" high, but my HDL (the good cholesterol was also high. He indicated that on balance (there's that word again) that even though I was a little high on the LDL, the proportionately higher HDL was protecting me. A smart doctor (or patient) should not get too concerned with one or the other as long as the balance is good.

Likewise with meat versus vegan. I personally feel that people have been omnivores for quite a long time. Accordingly, limiting your diet to all vegetable, or too much meat, may not be a good thing. Again, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Personally, I feel better when I get a bit of both. Try to maintain that balance.

Little known fact, bears are omnivores, but about 80% of their diet is vegetable.


The GlueGuy