Snow Equipment Owning/Operating Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute

   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #21  
I kind of just tied it together and since they were renting the place this summer to many different people, anyone could have done it! I know, I don't feel too good about it!
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #22  
..... I would not be getting anywhere near private driveways. .....

Really??? Then please explain this from your first post:


..... I could also supplement by driving around neighborhoods and charging homeowners for driveway snow removal. I'm confident I could go house to house and earn a lot. ......
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #24  
We have approximately 2 miles of blacktop roads in our subdivision. I have a full time job, but it is very flexible and I have plenty of time off that I could use to maintain the roads. I could also supplement by driving around neighborhoods and charging homeowners for driveway snow removal. I'm confident I could go house to house and earn a lot. I could charge a lot less than the main companies

Sounds like this?
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #25  
Olympus - You've been given a LOT of GOOD ADVICE in this thread but it sounds like you've already made up your mind to do this. I'm going to repeat some of the same advice just because I think you need to hear it again.

First, in spite of what you may want to think, this will be a REAL BUSINESS!! Someone is paying the current guy to do this. Is it your Homeowners' Association? (HOA) If so, the HOA is required to report what they're paying people for services to the IRS. You will get (or should get) a 1099-MISC for "non-employee compensation". You will need to report this income on your income tax return on a Schedule-C. You will need to pay income tax on the income as well as "self-employment tax" which is actually social security tax. The self-employment tax is about 15% plus the income tax on it. Even if you don't get a 1099 from the HOA, you are still REQUIRED BY LAW to report the income. If you don't and you get caught, it could be considered tax evasion. You won't go to jail, but it won't be a pleasant experience. There's more to the reporting stuff that I won't get into here. Someone above recommended getting a CPA. I'm a CPA (I don't practice anymore) and will tell you again - get a CPA! (That's yet another expense!!)

Second - Get insurance. You will break or damage something that belongs to someone else. And someone else will want you to be responsible. Yeah, I know it's your neighbors but they don't want to be paying out of their pockets. Neighbors can be a**holes, regardless of what you want to think. Once you start taking money, you're no longer "doing them a favor", you are "charging for a service". That means that the recipient of the service (formerly a favor) goes from being a friend/neighbor to being a customer. That also means that your work is going to be critiqued by the HOA. If they decide you're not doing any better than the current guy, you could be replaced as well. What then?

Third - As someone else mentioned, RUST!!! I live in the saltbelt too so I do know a little about road salt and rust. There is NO WAY that I want salt around my tractor! While I was looking for my tractor I enlisted the help of someone that I knew who also happened to be a former lead mechanic at our local Deere dealer. After he checked out the tractor that I ended up buying, he pointed out another one that was in the lot. It happened to belong to a local landscaping company that used it for exactly what you want to use yours for. He pointed out the pitting in the tractor frame as well as the hydraulic lines. He said that once this starts you can't stop it. Replacing all the lines was in the cards for that tractor. So, if you do this, be sure to charge enough to factor in job related repairs to your tractor. That's why the other guy is getting what he gets for each trip out there. It may sound like a lot of money to clear your road, but once you factor in taxes, insurance, repairs, fuel, salt, etc., etc., etc., etc., there ain't much left over! Speaking of repairs, a buddy of mine that clears roads with his truck just had to replace the frame of his plow ($1600) and the transmission in his truck ($2100). Are you considering stuff like that? Also, what if your equipment is down for some reason and you get a big snow? You're still responsible for clearing that road? Do you have a backup plan? (sorry - I digressed! This paragraph was supposed to be about salt! :laughing:)

I could go on and on, but hopefully you get my point. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I (and others here) want you to be aware that there's much more than just having someone else pay for your tractor. If you want to start a business, start one! I've been self-employed for almost 23 years (not to mention the little business that I owned while I was in college) and wouldn't trade it for anything. I made a LOT of mistakes during those 23 years so I'm trying to give you some of the experience of this gray haired guy! :D

Good luck with whatever you decide!!
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #26  
You asked for advice from experienced and professional people here. I think you got that.

There is no point in getting defensive about it if it doesn't agree with your thoughts. What good is advice that only agrees with you?

Aside from the insurance and other business issues, I would be concerned about the money needed to set-up the operation in a way you will want to live with. It isn't just a tractor you will need. You would need some sort of salt and sand storage that will keep it dry, otherwise you will have a saturated frozen pile that will be difficult to load in a sander. It will be lumpy and not spread easily. This will lead to waste and increase your costs besides being a PITA and lots of extra labor.

If the sander is on the rear of your tractor, how will the loader on the front end fill the sander? Do you plan on hand shoveling, or buy another piece of equipment? I'm not sure your tractor is even big enough to efficiently spread sand on two miles of roads. How many trips shuttling back and forth are you willing to make? Sanders aren't cheap and salt eats them up too.

The advice here isn't saying you can't possibly do this. People are saying you do need to think it through carefully, so you know up-front what you are getting into. It is a common mistake to make an uninformed decision and then work at justifying it. I'm pretty sure we have all done that. :) Information first, decisions second.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #27  
The subdivision would not hold me liable for any to the roads either.

Don't bet on that! Plus, plowing driveways, you hit a mailbox, tear up a fence, etc., and there goes all your profit for that year plus some.

Not trying to rain on your parade, just giving you something to think about. Remember, sadly, that this is a very litigious society we live in today.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #28  
I am in total agreement with most that have replied here. Sounds like you really want to upgrade your ride and think a little business will make it easier to sell the purchase to your 'better half'. A few cash or barter jobs here and there might not cause a '**** storm' of problems and liabilities and help make a payment or two, but I would NOT set up a business necessary to pay a loan. I think Dave tried to warn you already... you need to minimize your risk. Your plan sounds good on the surface but once it is in recurring mode, you WILL have an issue that will sting. Hopefully not too bad. Good luck.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #29  
Years ago I had an International Scout with a Snow Plow and made some good side money plowing commercial parking lots and some residential driveways...a lot more comfortable than an open station tractor seat...I bought the rig used and sold it for about what I paid for it...several years later.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute
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Every house sits on at least 3 acres, most are on more. There is not a single house that sits close to the road. No danger of fences to hit. Mailboxes are a possibility, but I can easily and cheaply replace a treated post and mailbox on the rare possibility that one was hit.

I would not be using sand. The current guy does not do that. Heck, he barely puts out much salt.

My thoughts on a spreader would be to use a buggy type with a roll over tarp pulled by drawbar on the tractor. Fill the buggy up late summer or fall, store it indoors in my shop, then use it as necessary. The buggy spreader keeps the thrown salt that much further behind my tractor to keep the salt away from the machine.

Those were my initial thoughts at least.
 

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