Snow Equipment Owning/Operating Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute

   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #31  
Let someone else do the roadways,
just pick up two or three or however many driveways you can handle.
If you want you can grow from there.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #32  
If your tractor will be off of your property, you'll want insurance. And, if an HOA is involved, you'll definitely want insurance. (I still haven't figured out why those things exists. You want to tell me what I can and can't do, on MY property, AND pay you to do so?) Even if you don't hit anything, being in a "residential area", someone else could back into you, or similar. Accidents happen all the time.

I would get the tractor that served my own needs, and if I planned to take it off of my property, I'd have insurance for thst, so that I could help a neighbor in need.

Other than that, I can't add much, as others have covered things well. You have been given very good advice!
 
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#33  
I copy loud and clear on the insurance thing.
 
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#34  
Instead of spreading salt, what is the possibility of spraying a brine solution or something similar as a pre-treat?

A trailer-mounted tank with a small boom that could be pulled behind a tractor is easy to come by in my area. This seems like it might be easier to store than bulk salt. Possibly not as likely to cause damage to the tractor as salt?
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #35  
Instead of spreading salt, what is the possibility of spraying a brine solution or something similar as a pre-treat?

A trailer-mounted tank with a small boom that could be pulled behind a tractor is easy to come by in my area. This seems like it might be easier to store than bulk salt. Possibly not as likely to cause damage to the tractor as salt?

The only thing worse than salt is salt water. It gets in places that even salt cannot get.
 
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#36  
Ok, I see that. It's there a less corrosive option? Calcium chloride maybe?
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #37  
Ok, I see that. It's there a less corrosive option? Calcium chloride maybe?

Honestly, I won't be much help with that. I don't know of the properties or effectiveness of the various options.

For a two mile long road, if it isn't very hilly, I would think you could probably get by with some cinders and/or sand. Our county road is a half-mile long, and they use nothing but cinders here. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the county roads around here are treated with salt. I'm pretty sure it's all cinders.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #38  
I saw a Cub Cadet UV with a salt spreader mounted in the back. You have no idea how old and beat up that thing looks after only a couple of seasons. I bought a Steiner that had obviously been around salt. Everything on the azz end was totally rusted and seized up. Not very nce!

As far as what people can be like. There was that story out of the States a short while back. Young kid gets stuck and some good samaritans stop to help. Seems they broke his spoiler and he is now suing them for damages.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #39  
I copy loud and clear on the insurance thing.
One thing you haven't mentioned about insurance is financing. Unless you pay cash for your tractor, the finance company is going to require you to have at least enough insurance to cover the loan payoff. And if you are using it commercially, it has to be commercial insurance policy or they wont pay if something happens. You will get insurance or the finance company will get it for you usually at a high rate and put it on your note. You wont have a choice on that, so you may as well find a good policy for yourself. Regardless if you don't think you will be liable for any damage, get a good liability policy, an outsider could be travelling in the sub-division and run into your tractor and even if not your fault, you could be in for some serious legal battles.
If you insist on doing this job, you have to treat it just like a full time business, with a business plan that includes equipment & operation costs and this includes depreciation of equipment (tax write off on that), labor cost (even if it is your own labor you must figure in some $$$ for your time) and of course the obligatory taxes of state and federal and any local taxes that might be applicable. Once you get that all down on paper and see the cost, you can then see if you will make money or loose money. I am betting that you cant operate the equipment and pay taxes for the $400 charge per snow. If you aren't making at least $75 per hour of your time, you are loosing money in the long run.
 
   / Indulge My Business Idea for a Minute #40  
I need some professional advise from the more experienced members. I'm currently in the market to upgrade tractors. Right now I have a John Deere 750 (20hp) that I use to brush hog 6 acres and grade a gravel driveway. I've been thinking of upgrading to a comparable size tractor or SCUT so that I can get a FEL and hydrostatic tranny. I've been preparing to spend $13K maximum and I've been researching the obvious choices.

Then I had a thought today that might totally change my direction, and that's where I need advise from the members. Instead of spending $13K to buy a SCUT outright, what if I jumped up to a small compact tractor with a cab? Still keep the FEL and hyrdo tranny though. I would be putting approximately $13K as a down payment and then I would be financing the rest. The reason I would consider a very small cab tractor is that I could every easily get the approval to do snow removal and salt spreading for our subdivision. I could offset the additional cost of the more expensive tractor by putting the tractor to work for me. I would be able to pay off the tractor faster with the funds received from the subdivision snow removal. I live in Missouri and we don't get a ton of snow, but we do get one or two good snows per year. The last few years, we've gotten several big snows. The current landscape guy that does the subdivision doesn't do a very good job. He charges $400 per trip through the subdivision to blade the roads and $600 per trip to salt the roads. We have approximately 2 miles of blacktop roads in our subdivision. I have a full time job, but it is very flexible and I have plenty of time off that I could use to maintain the roads. I could also supplement by driving around neighborhoods and charging homeowners for driveway snow removal. I'm confident I could go house to house and earn a lot. I could charge a lot less than the main companies because it would not be a job for me. Any money I earned would just go toward paying off the loan of the tractor. Once the tractor was paid off, I would have no obligation to continue doing the snow removal for the subdivision if I found out that it was more hassle than I wanted.

So there's my big scheme. Can you tell me if this is a pipe dream or if I should stick to just upgrading my little tractor like I was originally planning on. Keep in mind, when I say a cab tractor, I mean the smallest one model I can get so that I can still use it to brush hog my little 6 acres and grade my driveway. I can't use anything very big for my property.





About your project;

Are you sure he charges $400.00 dollars per push for plowing
and $600.00 for salting?????

It sounds seriously like he is pulling your chain and stealing your beer.

the only way you will know how much he is charging is asking the HOA board to see the contract.


"HIS" prices for that size subdivision would entail 200-500 homes on the private road way.

Salting and most spin cast spreaders do not mix!!!!!!! a pendulum spreader will save you time and money
and you will have zero waste.


Your also dealing with what is called a "snow event" and what the "snow depth trigger" for work is which may be 2 inches or less.


You have to forget any deicing liquids period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are still serious the only way to handle it is with salting sand which is a mixture of salt and concrete sand which costs much less than road salt.

You will be spending hundreds of dollars on bagged Halite per pallet of 50 pound bags with 40 bags per pallet and unless you store it in a dry place with a dehumidifier you can count on breaking every bag with a sledge hammer the next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





UNLESS you have an unbreakable contract for at least five years walk away.


SO you had better just work on your own disaster area.
 

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