Insurance

   / Insurance #61  
gemini5362 said:
I think the laws in different states might differ. Arkansas law is pretty specific about parts. If it is your car and you are responsible for the wreck the insurance company can use Non- OEM parts. If you are in a wreck and it is the other persons fault you have the right to demand OEM parts. My wife was in an accident that was the other parties fault. They had to replace both head light assemblies. They told me they were going to use aftermarket rebuilt parts. I had a fit about that and they gave me the name of the company they use. This company makes replacement lights for most cars at about half of the price. The difference is that the company warranties the headlight assemblies against any defect for as long as you own the car. I would not have gotten that good a warranty from toyota for new parts. There are parts out there that are as good as or better than OEM parts you just have to be careful and do the research

When my front bumper was damaged on my 1995 Ford F250 in 2000, the dealer put on a replacement, non-oem bumper, explaining it was guaranteed for life and the Ford bumper was not. Five years later it started rusting. My oem rear bumper has no rust yet. The dealer sold out to another dealer who refuses to honor the first dealers warranty.:mad: A non-oem warranty is usually only as good as the dealer who sells it.:(
 
   / Insurance #62  
one thing about property claims in IL & most states if you have the proper Medical limits on your home policy it will pay out not at fault & not effect your rates, the problem is most agents only offer $1k-$5K of medical instead of $25K as this is not profitable item. Thus add the max medical which will add about 15 per year & you will save you & someone else a headache.
 
   / Insurance #63  
tallyho8 said:
When my front bumper was damaged on my 1995 Ford F250 in 2000, the dealer put on a replacement, non-oem bumper, explaining it was guaranteed for life and the Ford bumper was not. Five years later it started rusting. My oem rear bumper has no rust yet. The dealer sold out to another dealer who refuses to honor the first dealers warranty.:mad: A non-oem warranty is usually only as good as the dealer who sells it.:(

That is definetly a good point to make. I try to make sure if I buy something with a lifetime warranty the company is going to be around for a while. If you have something in writing that says it is lifetime warranty then I would imagine it would depend on the terms of the sale. If someone just bought the dealership the warranty should be enforceable.
 
   / Insurance #64  
ray66v said:
Why can't you understand that in order to make money, they have to screw the people they can, in order to pay the ones they can't.

Well, I see you have it all figured out. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
   / Insurance #65  
Sure you can demand OEM parts! Then the Insurance Company tells you to pay the difference. Oh, sorry they NEVER want to be the "Bad Guy", so they tell me, to tell you to pay the difference. And of course, I don't want to loose a Customer, so I get screwed and end up eating it, more times than not.
Where do I get my information? 30 years of being in the Auto Body Repair Business, you get a real fast education, it will only take you 2 weeks to figure out that they run the business.
Price fixing, lets see where do I start?? Oh how about if you decide that you want to charge an hourly rate for repairs of lets say $40 / hour and you have a job towed in by a Customer who has XYZ Insurance. XYZ Insurance looks at the car and either writes their own estimate or accepts yours. When they write their own estimate they decide how much they are willing to pay for a particular repair, and guess what they often do? The correct answer is, "figure less than the job is worth".
One of my favorite tricks the Insurance Co's use when they write an estimate for the customer they say, "If your Repair Shop needs more money just have them call us." The Customer thinks, "Wow what nice people they will do anything to make me happy". Then I call the Insurance Co. to say, " I need more money on this door repair, you only figured 2 hours and its a 5 hour dent, then the same Insurance Co. says "NO".
Of course the Insurance Co's only use estimating programs that meet their approval, meaning, if I am in the Estimating Software Business, and offer an estimating program that figures the jobs at a fair price. They will refuse to accept the estimating program. And then since the Insurance Co's won't accept the software, no one is going to pay $300 a month for it. So, to stay in business, I have to cut the times in my software until it meets their approval, then they will magically accept it. Next, the Insurance Co. asks you what is you hourly rate, you tell them say, $40 for example, they will reply. "Well we only pay $35, thats what we determined is the customary rate for your area". And of course they say they determined this rate using a formula after surveying the shops in your area. Try asking for a copy of the report or the survey used to find these mysterious numbers, and you will be told, "no". We always were told that we would not be paid an hourly rate anywhere near the Transmission Repair Shop down the street, the Appliance Repair Shop in our area, and the best of all the Lawn Mower Repair Shop. Even though we had more overhead than they did, your simply told, "This is all we pay". Would'nt be cool to be able to go into the Grocery store and tell them, "I don't pay $10.99 /lb for steak" Now of course you have options you can turn the job down, starve and go bankrupt, or they will tell you, "Charge the Customer the difference", That never works because the guy down the street, who is renting an old abandoned building or working out of his garage, will tell the Customer no problem, "I'll do it for what they wrote". Of course, the fact that they have no overhead and will not be around next year to stand behind the job, are overlooked, and its bye bye to the job. The same thing happens with the after market parts, and often the used parts, you take a hit, to keep it all going.
The Insurance Companies will go to an Aftermarket Supplier, usually the worst one of all, and say, "if you want us to use your parts on our estimates we want a discount, the Supplier has no choice but to either give in or be left out in the cold. Then the Insurance Co's, tell the Supplier how much the discount will be, and how much they are allowed to discount the part to the Repair Shop. Cutting the Repair shops mark up from the standard 20-30% to say 10%. Hows that for price fixing? Sure you don't haveto use that supplier, but you will not be given the money to cover the additional cost if it is higher.
They will even make deals, Like with a particular Glass Company, that they will have them come to your shop and use your facilities, to install the glass on the car that your repairing, for your Customer, and you don't get a penny. If that Glass installer who is using you facility for free, gets hurt, slips and falls, etc., you still get the law suit though. Does that sound like a good fair business practice? Then, when that glass leaks because they are a fly by night outfit, YOU, the guy who did not make a dime off the glass gets the irate phone call, because, the customer does not even know the Insurance Co. had the glass put in by "Schmukies Glass". (Any attempt to enlighten the Customer about these matters shatters the illusion of how wonderful the Insurance Co. is, and get you into all kinds of hot water. So, you take the hit on your reputation).
If you are operating a good shop with the latest equipment, using quality materials, and qualified experienced workers, it is a very tight profit margin you have to work with, you have to have a steady volume to make any real money. So, this is another way they get their hand in your pocket. they invented something called, "Direct Repair". The Insurance companies take work off the street with these programs, you can not bid on these jobs and have a fair chance at getting them, leaving you to either; starve or sign up. You need the volume to stay in business so you make a deal with the devil and agree to give them even a better price to try to stay on top. You really have no choice if you want to stay open. And yes, they can't make people go to the "Direct Repair" shop for their repairs, but they have very crafty ways of getting around that.
As far as the anti-trust laws go, there is all kind of information out there on that, http://www.sonnenschein.com/docs/docs_e-alert/Insurance_Antitrust_Exemption_Elimination_IRG.pdf, is just one link, every attempt to make the Insurance companies have to comply, is met with fierce resistance by the insurance lobby. (BIG MONEY)
I don't make things up, I can back up everything I say. I had to fight, almost every day with theses Clowns for the right to make a living.
I could write several books about how Insurance Companies really operate. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
If you really, want to know how they operate, don't go by the impression their, (the Insurance Co.'s), clever marketing leaves you with, it is all designed to give you a false impression that they care, ignorance is bliss.
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Get to know your local Body Shop Owner, then ask then what the Insurance companies really care about, one word sums it up profit.
 
   / Insurance #66  
I suggest you tell insurance customers to take their business elsewhere. That'l fix those big bad insurance companies.
 
   / Insurance #67  
Yeah, thats funny :p, how would you like it if someone kept you, and an entire industry who is operating a legally, from being able to stay in business, unless you played by their rules.
They managed to distort the industry to the point that you can call it their business, thats the problem.
 
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   / Insurance #68  
I just got a registered letter from my insurance company today. Allstate had canceled my landlords policy on my old house that I rent out and I just got a liability policy from the only company that writes liability policies in South Louisiana. Two weeks ago they inspected the house and said I had to put a cover around the water heater that is on the carport. The water heater has been there for 50 years with no problems but I went to Home Depot and paid $100 for a water heater enclosure and installed it in about 5 hours. The letter says they are canceling my liability policy.:mad: And after I spent the money on the enclosure.:mad:

Now I've got no insurance on anything but my trucks. It hurts to know that I could lose everything I worked for my whole life with one unfortunate incident because the insurance companies won't insure anyone in our area.:(

There ought to be a law! But there probably isn't because our past 3 Louisiana State insurance commissioners are all in jail on corruption charges and our latest one hasn't been caught yet! :eek:

We have a law in Louisiana that your homeowners insurance company can't drop you if you had your policy for over 3 years with only a few exceptions. Allstate figured a way around this law. When they sent out their policy renewals, they transferred them to Allstate Indemnity company without letting people know they were changing their insurance company because no one reads the fine print in the policy. After you paid your new policy, they claimed you were a new policyholder and dropped your insurance.:mad:

Ask me if I like insurance companies.:rolleyes:
 
   / Insurance #69  
ray66v said:
Get to know your local Body Shop Owner, then ask then what the Insurance companies really care about, one word sums it up profit.

Ray you sound like you think profit is a dirty word. Do you not make a profit in your buisness ?

I actually give all my repair buisness to one shop. They use the most modern up todate equipment and they do really good work. They also do nice things for customers. I just had my truck in their shop. Someone hit in a parking lot and dented the rear fender. When I took it into them I pointed out a spot on the other side where I had thrown a piece of wood in and dented the wheel well. I told them I wanted that just straightened out and I would pay for it seperately the manager said dont worry about it we will fix it for free it is not that big a deal. I dont know how long it took to fix that small dent. I went to pick up the truck and the fender well looked perfect as well as the work the insurance company paid for. I dont know how his prices are for the insurance company but when I called my agent and told them I had a problem they told me to get estimates. I told them I could do that but this body shop was going to fix it. They looked in their books and said great he is one of our preferred shops just take it in there and they will take care of it. The claims adjuster also asked me if I had a police report of the accident. I told them I did not because the accident happened at night in a parking lot and I did not notice it for a couple of days. They told me that it was considered hit and run and my deductible was 500.00 they told me that if I had a police report it would fall under unisured motorist and the deductible would be 200.00. The adjuster then looked up something on the internet and said there is no time limit in your state on how long you have to file a police report if you go ahead and file then call us back the number of the report we can change the status. I did as they suggested. When My truck was ready I paid my 200 dollar deductible and drove off happy. Now then the insurance company treated me well. The body shop guy treated me very well. I dont know what kind of relationship he had with the insurance company but they have been doing buisness together for quite a while. Are you saying I should be upset about the way I was treated ?
 
   / Insurance #70  
gemini5362 said:
Ray you sound like you think profit is a dirty word. Do you not make a profit in your buisness ?
You missed the whole point here.

[/QUOTE] Are you saying I should be upset about the way I was treated ?[/QUOTE]

I have no idea where your coming from there.

I will sum it up for you again. No, never mind. I tried, your on your own.
 

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