cp1969 said:
It isn't a matter of who has what right now. What matters is who can make what by when--Germany didn't have squat in 1925 but had the ability to produce it. We had to match that effort--could we do that against the Chinese today given the fact that the industry that makes tools upon which products are made is gone? At least we had an intact machine tool industry within our borders in 1941--we don't now.
Ummm, let's back up a moment shall we? The Chinese have how many aircraft carriers? How many long range strategic bombers? How many stealth bombers? How many submarines with multiple long range tactical nuclear warheads? Come on hoss, China couldn't build the weapons systems we have in 50 years. We just launched the most modern aircraft carrier EVER BUILT. Built right here in the US of A, right? Didn't need no stinkin Chinese to build that one, did we?
We don't have 50 carrier groups. Twelve to fifteen is more like it.
Correct, but I didn't say CARRIER GROUPS, I said aircraft CARRIERS. Yes, we have a lot more than 12 or 13. We have several more smaller carriers called AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT CARRIERS than the 12 or 13 are nuclear powered class or larger carriers.
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The military knows full well the vulnerability of ships and believe it or not, has heard of the Silkworm and its like and will act accordingly. You cannot, however much you'd like, wage war from afar. In the end, it amounts to occupying territory and that means troops. Troops means weapons and armor. Weapons and armor have to be produced, here. You cannot rely on a foreign country to supply this material.
The military knows it, but the lobbyists and the dumbasses who run our political machine don't care about much more than producing large vulnerable weapons platforms, like aircraft carriers. Of course you need troops & armor to occupy space. When did I imply you didn't need troops & armor? Who said we were going to rely on foreign countries to supply material. Geeziz H, man take a look around. I cross the old navy Yard on I-95 in South Philly at least once a week. We got more advanced ships in moth balls than most countries have as front line equipment. who ever said we don't need any industry to build weapons? I said we have enough carriers. We need more sophisticate weaponry to stop the next 911, not the Chinese invading Coney Island.
American companies having access to the largest consumer market in the world is not incentive enough?
Well, let's hope they can because we won't be able to give them much help. Need I remind that the Egyptians didn't use their citizenry to build the pyramids and the Germans were more than willing to use slave labor to build the munitions of WWII. How shall we stop a regime that decides to go down that path again? By plugging their gun barrels with flowers? Or can we anesthetize the aggressors by showing them enough Power Point slides? (It seems to work well in a corporate setting.)
Oh, I see, now you're insinuating I'm a "liberal" I guess with the "flowers" comment? Far from it. Don't be so judgemental. I'm for extremely tough overseas policies conducted with INTELLIGENCE and the proper equipment, not just a bunch of vulnerable flattops. Remember the COLE and tell me what it took to flippin dang near sink it..... a couple terrorists with a plan scribbled in the sand and a crude homemade bomb on a 30' garbage scow. No my fanatical flattop friend, I'm more afraid of the terorism that is already attacking our country and how to stop it. I think a couple well placed [numerously existing]tactical nuclear warheads dropped right down Shang Hai's rear end or a nice strafing of their troops with a couple C-141 gattling gunships, taking out about 10,000 reg army in one pass and China won't have the gumption to send their billion man army to invade us.
Think ahead, not behind.
We need a space weaponry platform to take down any incoming launched weapon, we need the best intel money can buy. We need world class weaponry that's SMART, not another carrier. We have more carriers than the rest of the world combined.
