Is Availability Coming Back?

[duffer]

Having worked in mgt for 22 years with several companies, and then starting my own company, I can say with certainty, that the biggest hurdle for US companies to make money is gov't regulation. All of the crazy a$$ hoops you have to jump thru, fees, inspections, OSHA, EPA, and on and on and on.

Unions aren't helpful for productivity, but they pale in comparison to the expense of gov't regulation. Foreign countries don't have 1/10th of the regs that we do.

 

[ArlyA]

We put $$ down on can-am made 6x6 this past fall which might/hopefully show up this summer. Normally time frame for atv's is late winter/spring. This week we got an general email notice from BRP's precedent who talked about their manufacturing issues. He apologized for time delays more than once and mention among many problems they were short of assembly workers and that office staff had been doing some. He said they were adding storage, parts inventory and creating more assembly locations.

I say, world wide manufactures have been relying on "on time" parts and it appears that BRP is somewhat moving towards "we need to stock some" parts system. Has anyone else seen this?

 

[dodge man]

How many times do we hear politicians say “we just want big business and wealthy Americans to pat their fair share”. What that really means is more than their fair share. Big business and wealthy people can afford to pick up and move to another state or another country.

 

[kenmbz]

After Nafta made it easy to move manufacturing to other countries like Mexico, people I know would commute from Texas to Mexico for work.
JIT (Just in Time) manufacturing really caused a lot of the ripple in Manufacturing. Once the supply chain slows, the whole flow of devices just stops. Good way to save costs until something goes awry.

I still see many dealers with few ZTs, tractors etc. in my area.
Funny thing is it looks like all the grills that got delayed, showed up this year, along with the ones made this year.
So the box stores have stacks of them on sale. I also saw Home Depot with enough sacks of dirt, mulch etc. to fill up a section of their parking lot as they could not fit it in the store.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Businesses go where they can make the most profit. The USA is a terrible place for a business to make a profit.
Years ago, a friend of mine worked at an American battery manufacturer. One day his boss told him, “we’re closing our facility in PA and moving to China. You have one assignment left and that is to travel to China and help set up our new manufacturing facility”.

It took about 6 months to do that. He and he and his coworkers lost their jobs forever. At least he was “lucky” in that he got an extra 6 months to help train the Chinese workers. Most were laid off within a month.

Prime examples of the result of high environmental policies and tax.

 

[Rockbadchild]

car dealer lot are still empty around where I am from .... but this sound promising...

 

[jyoutz]

Thank the Unions for that.. and the present administration. Hopefully that changes in the near future.

Present administration? Companies have been offshoring manufacturing since the 1980s. That ship has sailed, and the US consumers are perpetuating the situation. There is a limited US market for US goods, mostly people who have significant resources. For example, my US made Whites boots are fantastic for $500. Most people buy the Asian brands for $150.

 

[jyoutz]

How many times do we hear politicians say “we just want big business and wealthy Americans to pat their fair share”. What that really means is more than their fair share. Big business and wealthy people can afford to pick up and move to another state or another country.

But they don’t. Research the number of billionaires who reside in California and New York.

 

[jyoutz]

Prime examples of the result of high environmental policies and tax.

You don’t think that wages and health insurance benefits are a significant factor? Especially health insurance. Yes, environmental policies are a factor, but I wouldn’t want to live in an industrial area in China. The reports are pretty gruesome.

 

[ArlyA]

You don’t think that wages and health insurance benefits are a significant factor? Especially health insurance. Yes, environmental policies are a factor, but I wouldn’t want to live in an industrial area in China. The reports are pretty gruesome.

We're not moving to anywhere in China...

 

[jyoutz]

We're not moving to anywhere in China...

That wasn’t my point. My point was yes the US has environmental regulations, because we don’t want to be like China.

 

[ArlyA]

That wasn’t my point. My point was yes the US has environmental regulations, because we don’t want to be like China.

And that would be one of the reasons we'd not move to China,,, among others.

 

[PuffyC]

This thread is starting to veer off course but I’ll comment by saying I’ve worked in high tech among the top 5 for 30 years and every last one will gladly hire anyone anywhere if it means they can save 7 cents a year. White, brown, male, female, American or foreign, they don’t care at all. All the talk about discrimination at places like Google, Tesla, and Apple? Its not a thing outside of a few one-off cases that any sufficiently large organization will always have. Who they hire and fire is just a matter of dollars and cents to them.

To get back a little more on topic, I traveled thru Texas last week and the Deere dealers were packed with machines. Whatever availability issues they had seem to be gone now. I’d wager the chip shortages in general will essentially be over within 12 months as well. We effed up royal when we locked down for covid but we’ll fix it, if for no other reason than all that stuff is standing in the way of corporate profits and that will not be tolerated.

 

[Rockbadchild]

You don’t think that wages and health insurance benefits are a significant factor? Especially health insurance. Yes, environmental policies are a factor, but I wouldn’t want to live in an industrial area in China. The reports are pretty gruesome.

ho definitely !! but there is a moral aspect in keeping your business in North America and there is a final drop that make the glass over flows. They are all contributing factor … inflation, raise of the minimum wage, tax increase, disposal tariffs, increase in utilities ect ect the list goes on … in china they get cheep labour, free wait disposal, cheep electricity from coal power plant purchase from the USA… lmao … nice how things work ehn …

 

[Reddogs]

I work close enough to a Deere dealer that I can see the back of the building through the trees, but I rarely turn down the road that goes past the entrance. When I did last week, I noticed probably 2 dozen new compacts - probably 1 to 3 series in two neat rows, plus a few more scattered around the yard. Back before snow I swear they had less than half a dozen on the lot.

I went to the nearby John Deere dealer and they had a lot of the 4 series and 5 series and up tractors, but still very few of the smaller tractors. Will have to check on the dealers across the board when I go traveling this month...

 

[forceten1]

I went to the nearby John Deere dealer and they had a lot of the 4 series and 5 series and up tractors, but still very few of the smaller tractors. Will have to check on the dealers across the board when I go traveling this month...

I have been trying to get two john deere dealers to order me up a 4066r for 2 months now. John deere just isn't taking new orders it seems. I need it to be open station and it seems open stations 4066r's can only be ordered, they won't be sitting on a lot

 

[PCABE5]

I have been trying to get two john deere dealers to order me up a 4066r for 2 months now. John deere just isn't taking new orders it seems. I need it to be open station and it seems open stations 4066r's can only be ordered, they won't be sitting on a lot

If the open station is like the cab version of the 4066, the tractor may be on a lot but there are no hydraulics available at least for the cab versions. I know of one 4066 cab that has been sitting at the dealership since 28 April waiting for hydraulic parts. All of them show as backorder with no ETA.

 

[vsteel]

I work in the semiconductor industry. Most of the time the problem is not chips, it is the smaller analog devices that you find on boards. Because they are cheap little components no one is going to build a new factory to make more. There is no money in it and when they get it finished the demand will be gone.

As for setting up plants overseas I don't think people realize those countries want the business so they will give money to a company to build a plant, they will wave all taxes for 20 years and so on. It costs between 35 to 45 percent more to build a semiconductor plant in the US over other countries.

The bottleneck should ease up at the first of the year to next summer, barring any other major event that wrecks everything up. I would hold off buying a tractor for a year if you can wait.