Is BX24 3-point hitch really a Cat 1?

[Skyco]

I know Kubota says it is a Cat 1 but is it really in all aspects, or is it partially a Cat 0?
I ask because I haven't taken my backhoe off yet to assemble the 3 point hitch and notice the Cat 1 top link sold at TSC is way longer than the one that came with the tractor...
I have some 3 point implements kept remotely and I don't want to drive 2 hours to find something doesn't fit!
TIA!

 

[Volfandt]

Yes like my BX23 it falls into the classification of a Cat 1 3ph but with that said, the classification doesn't cover the size or weight of the implement it can lift specifically, it indicates what size hole and pin the lift points have.

Category 1 specs,
For Tractors with 18 to 45 Horsepower
Top Link Pins are 3/4 inch in Diameter
Lift Arm Pins are 7/8 inch in Diameter

Not all Cat 1 3PH's are equal as demonstrated by this statment,
The distance from the tail of the PTO shaft to the lift arm ends is approximately 14 inches. The minimum spread between the lower lift arms will be about 26-27 inches, the maximum spread is normally out to 33 inches or more.

With all that said, those 26" rear wheels on a BX limit the size of the Cat 1 implements they can handle. So even though your BX24 does have a Cat 1 rated 3ph, theres a good possibility that it will not be able to accept and work your implements either do to it's limited lifting height and/or it's limited lift link spread.

 

[Tom_H]

DT, fan of the Tennessee Volunteers, alma mater of the great Peyton Manning, is absolutely correct.

There isn't much you can do about the lift capacity. As far as implements that are too wide, putting Pat's easy hitch extenders on the ends of your lift arms will increase the max width that the 3ph will accept; I'm not sure how much.

BTW,

There used to be a song about Peyton's pappy. Went like this:

The ball is on the fifty,
The down is third and ten,
He runs it down the sideline,
Yes Archie takes it in.

He plays for the Ole' Miss Rebels,
Archie Manning is his name,
The best G**D***** quarterback
to ever play the game.

Just a shame that he never got to be on a pro team that was even halfway decent.

 

[Skyco]

Thanks guys- the only implements I have are a small Howse Dirt Scoop and an Agri-Fab box blade which is pretty light. I was originally using these on a 3 point trailer I built and would raise and lower them with a 12v winch while towing with a Yamaha Rhino. Really just used for gravel driveway maintenance. Doubt I'll really have much use anymore for the dirt scoop now that I have a FEL

 

[Volfandt]

Go VOLS !
re. Peytons pappy, once upon a time a future pro linebacker, a Volunteer with a propensity to parting out junk cars w/ a chainsaw which earned him a nick name well versed in Volunteer lore, once uttered the phrase Archie who? And in the subsequent game the underdog Reb's taught the whole nation who Archie was.......
Ole Archie and his lovely southern bell sure knew how to make quarterbacks

Just a shame that he never got to be on a pro team that was even halfway decent.

The AIN'TS. Fans wore paper bags to hide their identities on TV

 

[JerryG]

The category size includes more than just the pin sizes. The distance between the lower pins as well as the distant from the bottom pins to the top pin are also part of category sizing. The BX as well as other sub compacts use the typical Cat. 1 pins but they don't have the Cat. 1 distances. That is why these small tractors are referred to as having limited cat.1 hitches. The Subs have more or less Cat 1 pins with Cat. 0 distances. So, no they are not true Cat 1.

 

[Volfandt]

3-Point Hitch Specifications
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Tractor Terminology

So, no they are not true Cat 1.

So then they're untrue? Dang untrue tractor manufacturers......
previously posted,

Not all Cat 1 3PH's are equal as demonstrated by this statment,
For Cat 1, The distance from the tail of the PTO shaft to the lift arm ends is approximately 14 inches. The minimum spread between the lower lift arms will be about 26-27 inches, the maximum spread is normally out to 33 inches or more.

The BX as well as most of the other SCUT's that advertise as haveing CAT 1 3PH's all fall within these spec's.
They are at the minimum edge of the spec's but they are within the specs for a Cat 1 so they are infact Cat 1 3PH's.

My ole Ferguson TE20 had a Cat 1 3PH and even though it was at the maximum of the Cat 1 specs, there were Cat 1 rated implements that it couldn't work either.

 

[Tom_H]

the underdog Reb's taught the whole nation who Archie was.......
Ole Archie and his lovely southern bell sure knew how to make quarterbacks

I sat in Sanford Stadium once and watched while he (with a broken arm) ripped the Dawgs' secondary to pieces, not only with his passing arm but with those greased lightnin' feet of his as well.

When he was in high school, his alcoholic father got in the bathtub and blew his brains out. Archie is the one who wound up having to clean up all the mess after they took the body away. After all the hard stuff he went through, he turned out to be quite a man, in many more ways than one!

 

[milkman]

My ole Ferguson TE20 had a Cat 1 3PH and even though it was at the maximum of the Cat 1 specs, there were Cat 1 rated implements that it couldn't work either.

Then we will have to call that a limited Cat 1 3PH too.

 

[Skyco]

The Subs have more or less Cat 1 pins with Cat. 0 distances. .

That explains why the Cat 1 top link I picked up at TSC was way longer than the one that came with the tractor.....

 

[JerryG]

3-Point Hitch Specifications
Hitches and Power Take Off Information from the Tractor Outlet
Tractor Terminology


So then they're untrue? Dang untrue tractor manufacturers......
previously posted,

No not at all. But, there are more specifications to the three point hitch than just the pins sizes. There are many specifications that are used for tractors. Many that most people never even know about such as the belly draw bar having categories. Up until the time when sub-compacts came out, the pin size was all that anyone had to make sure worked. If the pin size was right the implement would work. It is more blurred now. That is why more manufactures are coming out with sub-compact lines such as the King Kutter XB line. If it was a true Cat.1, there would be no need for such a series of equipment.

 

[JerryG]

Then we will have to call that a limited Cat 1 3PH too.

I was reading something a while back that actually called the sub compact hitch a Cat. .5 (point 5). Can't remember where it was at now.

 

[chucko]

"As far as implements that are too wide"
you ccan turn the pins on most implements to the inside if you have to
I also put a TSC cat 2 quick hitch on mine and it fit. however the top link hits the hitch unless you grind a notch in the hitch

 

[Tom_H]

"As far as implements that are too wide"
you ccan turn the pins on most implements to the inside if you have to

You are correct. I have been able to do this for several of the implements I put on my BX. I had a 30" dirt scoop, however, where this wasn't possible, especially if used while facing backwards. So this was one of the few where the pins can't be turned.

 

[SkunkWerX]

I have NOT found a CAT 1 implement that doesn't fit my BX2350.

Simply put, all BX's are not "limited" CAT-1's.

I had some left-over CAT 1 attachments for my Ford1210 that all fit my BX2350. It was something I researched before buying.

6 foot Rear blade=fit
5 foot Rake= fit
4 foot Bush Hog=fit
4 foot rear finish mower=fit

I did not need to turn any pins inside-out, either.

I just got the KK II TG-48 (not the XB) and it fits just fine.
So, they did not need produce the XB series for the current crop of BX's.
The XB is CAT 1 pins, with CAT 0 geometry. I spoke with KK folks before purchasing. They produced the XB to meet the demand of the lower HP subcuts, they told me it was more about power needed to drive the unit, than simple geometry, although they did take that into account as well.

Perhaps the original BX models were "limited", but the BX2350 is a CAT 1. I would venture to say the BX24 is also, unless they engineered them entirely different, but I don't think that is the case at all.

I would suggest when we give info about a BX model , that a specific model be cited.

To my knowledge:

BX1500 = Cat 1 "limited"
BX1800 = Cat 1 "limited"

BX1850 = SAE CAT 1
BX2350 = SAE CAT 1
BX24 = SAE CAT 1
I cannot speak for the other BX models, not for sure.


The Category rating also relates to HP ratings, as well as the pins, and geometry.

Category 0
For Tractors with up to 20 Horsepower
Top Link Pins are 5/8 inch in Diameter
Lift Arm Pins are 5/8 inch in Diameter


Category 1

For Tractors with 20 to 45 Horsepower
Top Link Pins are 3/4 inch in Diameter
Lift Arm Pins are 7/8 inch in Diameter


Category 2

For Tractors with 55-65 to 90-95 Horsepower
Top Link Pins are 1 inch in Diameter
Lift Arm Pins are 1 and 1/8 inch in Diameter


Category 3

For Tractors with 95 to 100 Horsepower and Up
Top Link Pins are 1 and 1/4 inch in Diameter
Lift Arm Pins are 1 and 7/16 inch in Diameter

 

[art]

A lot of good info here but with the last model Kubota Sub-compacts they jumped ahead of the industry with their hitch again by changing the location of the mounting to the tractor.

All current models take all full Cat 1 implements unlike their predessors the 1500,1800,2200,1830,2330 which were refered to a an 0-1 hitch.

 

[milkman]

SkunKWerX, I have an old 2001 BX2200 and all my implements and all the ones that I borrow from my brother and my BIL are CAT1, I haven't found anything that doesn't work on mine either, even a full length PHD, haven't had to turn any pins in either. Maybe some people haven't discovered the screw turnbuckles yet.

 

[Lanse]

I'll take that question. The top link on my holland TZ25 is a good 8" shorter then the top link at TSC, I bought one...... The pins are the same sizes, just the 3pt arms and the top link are considerably shorter.

 

[dwenham]

An easy-change system makes this easier (duh!) and also lengthens the 3-point on these little guys so the lift a little higher. Besides the Pat's system mentioned, Harbor Freight has the same one I bought many years ago fom Northern for about $250 often on sale for $59 with much cheaper freight than Northern. Oh well, mine must be better because I paid so much more!
Dave

 

[Tom_H]

The only difference between the 3ph on the current BX24/BX2350 and the older models is that these new models lift higher than the older models. When this new hitch came out, Kubota made some statements to the effect that the previous limited Cat. 1 hitch was now being replaced by a full Cat. 1 hitch. All of those statements have been withdrawn and the only thing you will now find written is that the new hitch lifts higher. The width that the arms stretch is still the same.

The BX hitch technically is a Cat. 1 hitch. There is no such thing as a 0.5 hitch. Within the category designated as 1, lift arms can come in differing lengths on different tractors. The arms on compact and full sized Cat. 1 utility tractors are longer than the arms on sub-compacts and there are some very large Cat. 1 implements that are designed for full sized Cat. 1 utility tractors, whose pins are too far apart for the BX to accept. The implements are also too large and most likely too heavy for a BX to effectively use, which makes the point mostly moot. Still, however, those implements do exist.