Is there anything lower than a thief?

[Sigarms]

Rob

I assumed (and perhaps incorrectly) from reading some of your previous posts, that you lived in a small rural community.

When I lived in a VERY ruaral community (which some would consider I still do), someone stealing from my domain was the last thing in my mind (although at that time, my guns and valuables were stored at my fathers house).

I again assumed (and perhaps incorrectly which was my fault) that because you lived in that type of "enviroment", guns and such (valueables) had no priority "if" someone were to "break into your home" and I assumed that you took no measures if this indeed were to of happened (sorry to say, it did).

After reading my first post it came across "cold", I apologize.

When you mentioned "guns", I thought incorrectly of the guns that I own myself.

From reading some of your posts, I assumed your a hunter. I could be wrong, but I thought you had a 7mm or something in that "line" (I did appreciate the pictures of the does you took).

I'm grateful that you didn't respond in haste, and again after reading my first post, it could of come across as myself being a "prick" which was not my intention.

I have never had anything stolen from myself, but "being around the world" I do realize that there are "good" people and "bad" people in this world.

The "bad" people have no fear of thier actions or what may become of those actions to either themselves or others.

Recently married myself, I bought a shotgun for the wife (she was just to uncomfortable handling any other weapons).

She was at first uncomfortable with "handling" this gun which I bought for the sole purpose of her using for self defense when I'm not home for business.

About 300 rounds later with practice out in the back yard, she can hit "targets" shooting from the hip out to 30 yards.

We've also gone over procedures when shes in the bedroom at night and if an intruder were to enter the house if I'm not home.

I'm still "working on her" to make sure she takes the gun to any part of the house when I'm not at home as well.

Do I want to do this? No.

But, with "bad" people in this world, you should at least be "prepared".

I'm not talking about being paranoid and "training" to the excess that you don't have a "regular" life, and "protecting oneself" takes more time in life than enjoying it.

I felt "happy" when my wife told me one time that she felt more secure having and knowing how to use that shotgun when I was not home.

Anyone with the knowledge or time can indeed break into you home, that is a given.

A safe can be broken into no doubt.

More than one safe and then the intruder has to "think" which one they want to spend the time to try to open. You can "split" your valuables and firearms knowing that not everything will be taken.

Yes, if someone is good enough, perhaps they can get into numerous safes in one house, but playing the odds I think that unlikely.

My thoughts are that if the average burglar is in a home, they want to be in and out as fast as possible. Anything that takes time they will not want to deal with. That being said, if they had the proper tools and time, I just can't see that person taking the time and risk of being caught for the "reward" of stealing by being at MY house due to the lack of valuables (and any that I do have are in a safe).

Again, you just have to watch out and be prepared best as possible for the "bad" people.

 

[Sigarms]

Rob

I assumed (and perhaps incorrectly) from reading some of your previous posts, that you lived in a small rural community.

When I lived in a VERY ruaral community (which some would consider I still do), someone stealing from my domain was the last thing in my mind (although at that time, my guns and valuables were stored at my fathers house).

I again assumed (and perhaps incorrectly which was my fault) that because you lived in that type of "enviroment", guns and such (valueables) had no priority "if" someone were to "break into your home" and I assumed that you took no measures if this indeed were to of happened (sorry to say, it did).

After reading my first post it came across "cold", I apologize.

When you mentioned "guns", I thought incorrectly of the guns that I own myself.

From reading some of your posts, I assumed your a hunter. I could be wrong, but I thought you had a 7mm or something in that "line" (I did appreciate the pictures of the does you took).

I'm grateful that you didn't respond in haste, and again after reading my first post, it could of come across as myself being a "prick" which was not my intention.

I have never had anything stolen from myself, but "being around the world" I do realize that there are "good" people and "bad" people in this world.

The "bad" people have no fear of thier actions or what may become of those actions to either themselves or others.

Recently married myself, I bought a shotgun for the wife (she was just to uncomfortable handling any other weapons).

She was at first uncomfortable with "handling" this gun which I bought for the sole purpose of her using for self defense when I'm not home for business.

About 300 rounds later with practice out in the back yard, she can hit "targets" shooting from the hip out to 30 yards.

We've also gone over procedures when shes in the bedroom at night and if an intruder were to enter the house if I'm not home.

I'm still "working on her" to make sure she takes the gun to any part of the house when I'm not at home as well.

Do I want to do this? No.

But, with "bad" people in this world, you should at least be "prepared".

I'm not talking about being paranoid and "training" to the excess that you don't have a "regular" life, and "protecting oneself" takes more time in life than enjoying it.

I felt "happy" when my wife told me one time that she felt more secure having and knowing how to use that shotgun when I was not home.

Anyone with the knowledge or time can indeed break into you home, that is a given.

A safe can be broken into no doubt.

More than one safe and then the intruder has to "think" which one they want to spend the time to try to open. You can "split" your valuables and firearms knowing that not everything will be taken.

Yes, if someone is good enough, perhaps they can get into numerous safes in one house, but playing the odds I think that unlikely.

My thoughts are that if the average burglar is in a home, they want to be in and out as fast as possible. Anything that takes time they will not want to deal with. That being said, if they had the proper tools and time, I just can't see that person taking the time and risk of being caught for the "reward" of stealing by being at MY house due to the lack of valuables (and any that I do have are in a safe).

Again, you just have to watch out and be prepared best as possible for the "bad" people.

 

[CDsdad]

You are probably right. As screwed up as our justice system is they'll probably say guns in a safe infringe upon the criminal's right of a fair chance to steal them, too.

Guns not in a safe or in a safe aren't the problem. It's laws that protect criminals and their "rights" that are the problem. Drug dealers and users are the problem, and as mentioned somewhere above people who buy the stolen property.

I've an uncle that just got out of jail. He's a meth head. Has stolen my 80 year-old grandmother blind. Steals from rest of family, too. Why didn't they keep him locked up???? It wasn't a first offense!!! No kid either, 53 years old. Sorry to rant, but guns not in a safe aren't the problem.

As far as my uncle, when he tries to steal from me and I catch him, his stealing will be over and I'll save the state of MS trouble of feeding him. Hope your thieves eventually get the same Rob.

 

[CDsdad]

You are probably right. As screwed up as our justice system is they'll probably say guns in a safe infringe upon the criminal's right of a fair chance to steal them, too.

Guns not in a safe or in a safe aren't the problem. It's laws that protect criminals and their "rights" that are the problem. Drug dealers and users are the problem, and as mentioned somewhere above people who buy the stolen property.

I've an uncle that just got out of jail. He's a meth head. Has stolen my 80 year-old grandmother blind. Steals from rest of family, too. Why didn't they keep him locked up???? It wasn't a first offense!!! No kid either, 53 years old. Sorry to rant, but guns not in a safe aren't the problem.

As far as my uncle, when he tries to steal from me and I catch him, his stealing will be over and I'll save the state of MS trouble of feeding him. Hope your thieves eventually get the same Rob.

 

[Sigarms]

I'll respectfully argue that although a safe will not "cure the social issues" of this world, it would help in the "case" you just presented.

Say a person "breaks in" due to being a "meth head" and they need the money. Chances are that they will not be familiar with "cracking" a "decent" safe.

Yes, the person in question did "violate" your rights by entering your home, and yes, they may of taken things that were readily available, but, they most likely would not take the valuables (sp?) stored inside the safe due to thier lack of knowledge on how to "crack" the safe.

Either way, your home was broken into. The difference is that with a safe, things can be protected to a limit.

 

[Sigarms]

I'll respectfully argue that although a safe will not "cure the social issues" of this world, it would help in the "case" you just presented.

Say a person "breaks in" due to being a "meth head" and they need the money. Chances are that they will not be familiar with "cracking" a "decent" safe.

Yes, the person in question did "violate" your rights by entering your home, and yes, they may of taken things that were readily available, but, they most likely would not take the valuables (sp?) stored inside the safe due to thier lack of knowledge on how to "crack" the safe.

Either way, your home was broken into. The difference is that with a safe, things can be protected to a limit.

 

[CDsdad]

He'd move on to someone who didn't have a safe.

I'll concur a safe is a good deterrent. But where do we stop. Do we all get burglar bars and security systems? Do we hire 24 hour surveillance? I was simply stating(ranting) that there is more to the issue than guns in a safe.

Locks and safes keep honest people honest, thieves are still thieves. Eliminating thieves, not buying more gun safes is the problem. And there is where our liberal justice system has failed us.

Horse thieves in the 1800s were hanged. I'm not comparing now to then, I just feel like criminals need more incentive not to be criminals.

 

[CDsdad]

He'd move on to someone who didn't have a safe.

I'll concur a safe is a good deterrent. But where do we stop. Do we all get burglar bars and security systems? Do we hire 24 hour surveillance? I was simply stating(ranting) that there is more to the issue than guns in a safe.

Locks and safes keep honest people honest, thieves are still thieves. Eliminating thieves, not buying more gun safes is the problem. And there is where our liberal justice system has failed us.

Horse thieves in the 1800s were hanged. I'm not comparing now to then, I just feel like criminals need more incentive not to be criminals.

 

[cp1969]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just feel like criminals need more incentive not to be criminals. )</font>

THERE....is the crux of the matter.

We have gotten so far away from the real problem that probably 9 out of 10 ON THIS BOARD will say that a person who leaves his car unlocked and running is as responsible for it's theft as the thief. I live in a small community and see that all the time, and do it myself. I am not compelled to steal a car just because it presents an opportunity...why is anyone else??

The THIEF is to blame---no one else.

 

[cp1969]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just feel like criminals need more incentive not to be criminals. )</font>

THERE....is the crux of the matter.

We have gotten so far away from the real problem that probably 9 out of 10 ON THIS BOARD will say that a person who leaves his car unlocked and running is as responsible for it's theft as the thief. I live in a small community and see that all the time, and do it myself. I am not compelled to steal a car just because it presents an opportunity...why is anyone else??

The THIEF is to blame---no one else.