JD 110 TLB Purchase

[NewHollandDLR]

how does the jd 110 handle skid steer attachments up front? namely a harley rake or hydraulic powered bushhog type attachment.

The 110TLB puts out what 10.2 GPM up front. You will not be able to run a brush hog/rotary mower on it unless you stay at a 4' wide set up...just will not do a 6' wide, it simply takes to much GPM and the 110 can not put it up front. The harley rake...well depends..take a look at the req. gpm and you will know. I haven't had a reason to check for that as of yet.

JD DLR

 

[BillyP]

You speak so well with a forked tongue everyones friend the JD Dealer. When it was taking the load on the Kubota and the pins of the Deere that was fine before, but you didn't know! To talk of an under advertised weight of a JD110 with optional 4n1 bucket and you talk of a couple of hundred pounds it is a gross understatement of weight. But when you cut the Kubota short in your speal of 20% of it's ability by giving improper info it's just a small mistake! I got to love your green underwear! You are a true JD dealer in the best form.

Wow Art, don't stroke out on us

Do you know for a fact that whatever Kubota says or prints is gospel? The Nebraska Tractor Test Lab will and does disagree with you.

This is for the M5700DT...

REMARKS: All test results were determined from
observed data obtained in accordance with official
OECD test procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claims of 26% torque rise nor 3310 lbs
(1500 kg) 3 point lift capacity. The performance
results on this summary were taken from OECD tests
conducted under the Code I Test procedure.

There's only four Kubotas listed at the NTTL and all four failed at least one advertised spec.

I do understand you are a Kubota dealer but you're bleeding orange all over his green underwear

Believe nothing you read and half of what you see

 

[art]

If all tractors had to do to work well in a field was do well on the concrete we'd all be eating differently! I've seen smaller tractors whip the daylights out of bigger tractors that tested better on the concrete then they obviously work on the ground with. I've seen tractors that tested well for fuel on the concrete need a tanker behind them in the field. I also know not all is created equal and it is hard for a manufacturer to build all things to unequaled quality or performance for any duration as there are plenty of people that copy well and as always with a new twist to an enhanced performance. I dislike someone who claims to be something they aren't! I just hope someday he grows up and starts with good solid facts that are in print and move on. If he was as good as he says he was he would have been more factual with the known information instead of making illogical comparisons of different points to attempt to make a point. It reminds me of this past summer at a disc mower demo on a farm when comparing the cutting job from the two brands of disc mowers I had there compared to the deere it was interesting to hear as to why they had such a ragged cut instead of a nice clean cut, "they designed it that way to hold the hay up at different levels so it would dry faster"??????? LOL I make enough mistakes trying to be accurate that I don't need to intentionally give out bad info and then try to say it was a small mistake when he later calls less then half the same amount big!!!!!!! By the way Billy good to see you here yet!!!!

 

[DmansPadge]

Just looking at the two... I have to ask a question. The Deere makes notes about the 110 being yellow because it is "Construction Grade." On Kubota's website it lists the intended uses and mentions "Light Construction" for the TLBs. Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota? Are the parts or construction of either any tougher than what they put in a CUT? Is the Kubota any less "commercial grade" than the Deere? Is this just marketing ploy?

 

[CurlyDave]

Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota?

Just off the top of my head, look at the weight. The L39 is a hair under 7000 lbs, the 110 is a hair over 8000 lbs.

I haven't looked at the L39 carefully, but a lot of my 110 is carefully constructed from precisely cut steel plates welded together -- a method which produces a lightweight, but strong structure. There are few, if any, oversized castings to add weight without adding strength and function.

Any time I find a machine which is ~15% heavier than another one which has close specifications, I figure the one with more weight is heavier duty. Now clearly this is not true if the weight is added through crude construction, but this is not the case here.

 

[art]

Just looking at the two... I have to ask a question. The Deere makes notes about the 110 being yellow because it is "Construction Grade." On Kubota's website it lists the intended uses and mentions "Light Construction" for the TLBs. Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota? Are the parts or construction of either any tougher than what they put in a CUT? Is the Kubota any less "commercial grade" than the Deere? Is this just marketing ploy?

Kubota started out building their line of mini TLB's in the 80's with the B-20 being the first and being replaced with the B-21 and now the B-26 so they have the most amount of experience in the small size. The next in line was the L-35 introduced in the early mid ninties which made any add on TLB in it's horsepower class seem dwarfed with it's large hydraulic capacities and strength. The L-39 which was just introduced in the last couple of years made the older L-35 seem small as they added more speeds to the transmission as well as added a pump to just swing the boom like the larger commercial machines and a larger hoe. The L-48 is Kubota's largest and for us the most popular as it fits just below the big boys (deere,case,jcb,nh) full commercial lines in size and performance. The versatility of these units with the hoe coming off to return to the three point hitch has made them extremely desireable as they can be moved with pick-ups on trailers to job sites instead of using bigger trucks and trailers. I'd wonder that the deere is any more commercial then what kubota has been building for the past twenty years as the list of options for the deere is longer as they forgot to put a skid plate under theirs or better yet when building it or to design it so it wouldn't need on as they are just catchall's to me that build up with dirt and debris that should be removed and cleaned on a regular basis to keep from building moisture and rusting the controls and lines on the bottom as they don't rinse out with a normal wash job. The jd 110 at the time of it's introduction was built to fit between the two L-series units built by kubota although the l-39 does have hydraulics that allow some of the unit to out perform the 110 does out weigh the 39 and if working in heavy digging or soil conditions weight of the unit will make a difference. With all tractors I like a moving weight or weight that can be removed or added easily to balance a unit to it's optimum performance. We've seen major fuel savings as well as tire wear reductions by being able to run lighter and faster and actually more agile while working. The L-39 although not offered as a hydro is a fuel sipper with the glideshift vs the hydro's and depending on the use of these tractors some people prefer it. There is not one manufacturer that builds a line up that is right for everyone and from what we've seen of the Kubota's TLB line and JD's I'd have to say they are all as commercial as it get's in that size range.

 

[tractorlogger]

Since the introduction of the JD 110TLB (I dont know what the year was?),
have there been any significant changes introduced over the years to overcome design defects or any common problems that anyone knows about with these machines??? Would a 2003 base model be the same as a 2007?

Thanks

 

[NewHollandDLR]

I'm really getting tired of this. Did you know that we sell not just Kubota but also New Holland, Case IH, Krone, Miller Pro, Bush Hog, Woods, New Holland Construction, Brillion, NC, ah there's more... and these are all stocking companies - not shortline products. When your in this business you don't have a brand bias. I see about a dozen brands on a daily basis and have to judge things on their merits. I think my fellow dealer here will attest to that. If you read this thread, you'll find that I never took a shot at the 110. Its a fine tractor. All I do is fill in the blanks and correct the few things that are not stated correctly. Infact today I sold a Deere 430 diesel graden tractor that we had in, thats a great mower..

Good for you selling green..feels great doesn't it. I am also a Multi Line dealer for Kubota, Deere, New Holland, Takeuchi, Toro, Ziemman, Jacobsen, Clark, Mitsubishi, Daewoo, Linde, Kobelco, Multiquip, Barretto and a huge amount of short lines such as Bush Hog, Befco, JRB, Bradco ect. ect. ect. that is at least 4 times as many as my major lines. The only green I bleed is dollars and whatever makes me money. I am a commisioned salesman.

I think you answered your own question there. When you start adding options and fluids the weights go up! Most of the published weights are all dry shipping weights and not the true operating weight. .

Exactly and with all the add ons...everything deere offers except the 50amp alt and with all fluids full the unit still weighs in 7800lbs

Just please look at the figures before you start saying this stuff, what your saying is not true. The figures posted on that comparison sheet are the same ones that are on Deere's website. No doubt companies screw with these sheets, however its always by obmission and not by making the numbers up. Thats a quick way to get yourself sued. .

Like I have said I pull all my numbers from what I give my customers the brochure. It lists in the brochure the weight of tractor at 7600lbs. And by the way if it is by obmission that manufactures mislead why is it that Kubota is no longer stating lift capacity at pivot pins on the lit? Not to say they are misleading here but maybe telling the truth at 2200lbs rated lift capacity.

The 110 is a fine tractor and I'd encourage anyone who is intersted to take a look at it. I just can't sit here and watch things that are simply wrong being presented as fact..

Seems like the best way would be to demo the units side by side with the L39 or L48 to trully see what the difference is. You can only tell so much by looking.

 

[NewHollandDLR]

Since the introduction of the JD 110TLB (I dont know what the year was?),
have there been any significant changes introduced over the years to overcome design defects or any common problems that anyone knows about with these machines??? Would a 2003 base model be the same as a 2007?

Thanks

There were some changes made. The motor was changed for EPA reasons. The seat was changed to a suspension seat. The 4 in 1 bucket had a change as well due to people bending the bucket in the middle when grabbing stumps and the like. Other than these changes I have not seen anything major. There undoubtably will be another motor change coming at some time. This tractors motor and trans orig came from the 4610 tractor which is no longer in production. The new 4020 series tractors now have a JD powertech turbo diesel in them. I would imagine that they will move to that motor at some time. I have talked with many people at deere and from what I have heard we should also see a cab version come available sometime soon. Until then if you need a good cab you can call on Laurin Inc. out of Canada.

JD Dlr

 

[NewHollandDLR]

Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota?

Just off the top of my head, look at the weight. The L39 is a hair under 7000 lbs, the 110 is a hair over 8000 lbs.

I haven't looked at the L39 carefully, but a lot of my 110 is carefully constructed from precisely cut steel plates welded together -- a method which produces a lightweight, but strong structure. There are few, if any, oversized castings to add weight without adding strength and function.

Any time I find a machine which is ~15% heavier than another one which has close specifications, I figure the one with more weight is heavier duty. Now clearly this is not true if the weight is added through crude construction, but this is not the case here.

Dave

What dealer did you get your 110 from. I used to own a Feed and Grain company that was based in the Woodside RWC Atherton area. I may have met you at some time. I sell my 110's as far south at Livermore and as far north as Oregon.

JD Dlr