JD 110 TLB Purchase

[art]

Being around for too long sometimes answers some questions, it was only with the introduction of the deere 4000 series for a marketing advantage that the pivot pins became a measuring point and the ASAE standard was ignored by them. For a short time many where fooled about deere's sudden major increase in lifting ability until they got out and worked them and found no advantage or increase over the rest of the market. Before that it was in the bucket at the mid point for decades which is hard to judge but does include the weight of the bucket and load in it. So which manufacturer really was misleading? How many of your customers don't have a bucket on their tractor? Does the whole industry have to change for one manufacturer?

 

[BillyP]

Art, nice to see you're still around too! All these brochures and such are hard to figure out. I would like to post a pic of the JD 460 loader specs and you can tell me how it compares to the Kubota LA853 lift specs. It's kind of hard since Kubota is fairly vague on at what height specs are recorded.

By the way, I was using the specs for the LA853 from Kubota's website.
Kubota Tractor Corporation - L Series - Grand L30 Compact Tractors Attachments

 

[CurlyDave]

What dealer did you get your 110 from.

I got my 110 from Floyd A. Boyd Company, in Central Point, Oregon. Just outside of Medford. The tractor lives in Grants Pass, I intend to move up there with it in a few months.

I would recommend them to anyone. Lots of good advice, great service so far, and all-around good guys.

About the only vehicle dealership of any sort I can walk into and not get a feeling of being taken somehow.

I tried to look at a Kubota L39 at a dealership in Medford, and they didn't even have one to look at, much less drive. They were a little bit less when I only considered price, but I really prefered the HST, and there was no comparison in dealer service.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota?

Just off the top of my head, look at the weight. The L39 is a hair under 7000 lbs, the 110 is a hair over 8000 lbs.

I haven't looked at the L39 carefully, but a lot of my 110 is carefully constructed from precisely cut steel plates welded together -- a method which produces a lightweight, but strong structure. There are few, if any, oversized castings to add weight without adding strength and function.

Any time I find a machine which is ~15% heavier than another one which has close specifications, I figure the one with more weight is heavier duty. Now clearly this is not true if the weight is added through crude construction, but this is not the case here.

Weight and durability have very little to do with each other in a modern tractor. Todays construction techniques can give way more strength from much less weight. You don't have to look too far to see this in just about any product any more.

part of the reason why the L39 weights in at the weight that it does is because its intentianly made to be the most TLB you can fit on a 10,000lb GVW trailer. A 110 or L48 would take 12,000 GVW which rules out many, many pickup trucks.

 

[CurlyDave]

Let me ask you two questions about the L39.

1. What does Kubota say about backdragging with the FEL bucket? In other threads on this comparison, people who own them say that the official Kubota stance is that backdragging should only be done with the rear of the FEL bucket. Is this really true? I routinely backdrag with the front edge of my bucket.

2. What is Kubota's stance on picking up the rear of the L39 by pushing down with the backhoe and then pivoting on the lowered FEL bucket? Again, I have heard that Kubota says not to do this. How can I possibly cross a trench without picking up the rear of the machine with the backhoe?

Or are these just scurrilous rumors?

 

[art]

Art, nice to see you're still around too! All these brochures and such are hard to figure out. I would like to post a pic of the JD 460 loader specs and you can tell me how it compares to the Kubota LA853 lift specs. It's kind of hard since Kubota is fairly vague on at what height specs are recorded.

By the way, I was using the specs for the LA853 from Kubota's website.
Kubota Tractor Corporation - L Series - Grand L30 Compact Tractors Attachments

Billy, it looks like if anyones was hard to read it would be Kubota's! I started out to look thru the boxes of old literature that I have to find the one that was ever so lacking and misleading when there was a switch to the pivot pin in reading the jd literature but yet they didn't disclose it when the rest of the industry was using the ASAE standards of in the bucket. The mid height range for load is new and is just becoming a point of reference and I believe that comes from the skid steer market. Could it have been a mistake? Possibly but when the company that has the highest investment in marketing for the last thirty years in this industry does it, doesn't it just make you wonder?

 

[mike69440]

Let me ask you two questions about the L39.

1. What does Kubota say about backdragging with the FEL bucket? In other threads on this comparison, people who own them say that the official Kubota stance is that backdragging should only be done with the rear of the FEL bucket. Is this really true? I routinely backdrag with the front edge of my bucket.

2. What is Kubota's stance on picking up the rear of the L39 by pushing down with the backhoe and then pivoting on the lowered FEL bucket? Again, I have heard that Kubota says not to do this. How can I possibly cross a trench without picking up the rear of the machine with the backhoe?

Or are these just scurrilous rumors?

This is off Kubota's web site.
http://www.kubota.com/h/products/l39Specs.pdf

Kubota's Web sheet states lift at pins is 2767 Lbs and 2200 At bucket bottom mid point.
I should point out 500 mm from pins is past bucket midpoint which is a realy vague dimension. (Actually it is not a dimension, is it?)

Has Kubuota restated the capcities in a new brochure?

I figure lift at bucket edge is only 1500 Lbs at as delivered pressure setting. The loader has been a disapointment, expecially in curl force.

Kubota says not to backdrag except with back of bucket. The machice does not have enough hydraulic force to backdrag with the edge, as the dump cylinder in plumbed regenerative for super stupid fast dump times.

I have a 2 x 2 x 0.38 L angle welded to the bottom of my bucket at the backside and this helps with backdraging.

I would prefer slower dump times and more back curl force available. If anyone knows how to defeat the regentative dump cycle, please explain so a moron can do it. I suspect the circuit is in the loader valve, so this may not be possible.

I don't remember what they say about picking up the back of the machine.
The machine has no problem doing this. I have buried the tractor in gooey mud and the BH was only way I could get out.

The Deere has more metal in it than the Kubota. I wish the L39 had more front axle. The Kubota does use the metal it has well. Kubota always has, for the most part.

No one is making the small TLB I really want, so in gereal I am satisfied with the L39. There is only so much you can do with a swiss army knife.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Kubota says not to backdrag except with back of bucket. The machice does not have enough hydraulic force to backdrag with the edge, as the dump cylinder in plumbed regenerative for super stupid fast dump times.

I would prefer slower dump times and more back curl force available. If anyone knows how to defeat the regentative dump cycle, please explain so a moron can do it. I suspect the circuit is in the loader valve, so this may not be possible.

There are two dump positions on the loader valve, if you go all the way to the right its the regeneritive "super crazy fast" dump. If you go slightly to the right its a slow dump under power. If your push the bucket down to back drag using the powered dump and see any slop in the loader cylinder quickly bump the stick towards the left, this will preasurize the cylinders further and lock them in place. This is how all L-series valves are, I don't have a L39 here to double check this but I am pretty sure its correct.

If you've read anything cautioning agaist back dragging its because some people will curl the bucket the entire way around and try and drag with the cylinder almost completly extended, this is a really quick way to bend the rod. As long as you drag with the bucket at a reasonable angle there is no reason to be cautious.

 

[SkyPup]

If you've read anything cautioning agaist back dragging its because some people will curl the bucket the entire way around and try and drag with the cylinder almost completly extended, this is a really quick way to bend the rod. As long as you drag with the bucket at a reasonable angle there is no reason to be cautious.

YIKES, that is one thing I've never tried with our L-39 and have zero plans to try in the future....

Major thing to watch out for when backdragging are the exposed hydraulic connectors and lines on the underside of the boom connector tube that you could manage to wipe out if not careful.

 

[capt_met]

does the 110 have locking differential? how does it handle when one of the rear wheels and one of the front wheels spin at the same time? thanks in advance.