JD 110 TLB Purchase

[art]

Being around for too long sometimes answers some questions, it was only with the introduction of the deere 4000 series for a marketing advantage that the pivot pins became a measuring point and the ASAE standard was ignored by them. For a short time many where fooled about deere's sudden major increase in lifting ability until they got out and worked them and found no advantage or increase over the rest of the market. Before that it was in the bucket at the mid point for decades which is hard to judge but does include the weight of the bucket and load in it. So which manufacturer really was misleading? How many of your customers don't have a bucket on their tractor? Does the whole industry have to change for one manufacturer?

 

[BillyP]

Art, nice to see you're still around too! All these brochures and such are hard to figure out. I would like to post a pic of the JD 460 loader specs and you can tell me how it compares to the Kubota LA853 lift specs. It's kind of hard since Kubota is fairly vague on at what height specs are recorded.

By the way, I was using the specs for the LA853 from Kubota's website.
Kubota Tractor Corporation - L Series - Grand L30 Compact Tractors Attachments

 

[CurlyDave]

What dealer did you get your 110 from.

I got my 110 from Floyd A. Boyd Company, in Central Point, Oregon. Just outside of Medford. The tractor lives in Grants Pass, I intend to move up there with it in a few months.

I would recommend them to anyone. Lots of good advice, great service so far, and all-around good guys.

About the only vehicle dealership of any sort I can walk into and not get a feeling of being taken somehow.

I tried to look at a Kubota L39 at a dealership in Medford, and they didn't even have one to look at, much less drive. They were a little bit less when I only considered price, but I really prefered the HST, and there was no comparison in dealer service.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Is there anything that makes the Deere more "commercial" than the Kubota?

Just off the top of my head, look at the weight. The L39 is a hair under 7000 lbs, the 110 is a hair over 8000 lbs.

I haven't looked at the L39 carefully, but a lot of my 110 is carefully constructed from precisely cut steel plates welded together -- a method which produces a lightweight, but strong structure. There are few, if any, oversized castings to add weight without adding strength and function.

Any time I find a machine which is ~15% heavier than another one which has close specifications, I figure the one with more weight is heavier duty. Now clearly this is not true if the weight is added through crude construction, but this is not the case here.

Weight and durability have very little to do with each other in a modern tractor. Todays construction techniques can give way more strength from much less weight. You don't have to look too far to see this in just about any product any more.

part of the reason why the L39 weights in at the weight that it does is because its intentianly made to be the most TLB you can fit on a 10,000lb GVW trailer. A 110 or L48 would take 12,000 GVW which rules out many, many pickup trucks.

 

[CurlyDave]

Let me ask you two questions about the L39.

1. What does Kubota say about backdragging with the FEL bucket? In other threads on this comparison, people who own them say that the official Kubota stance is that backdragging should only be done with the rear of the FEL bucket. Is this really true? I routinely backdrag with the front edge of my bucket.

2. What is Kubota's stance on picking up the rear of the L39 by pushing down with the backhoe and then pivoting on the lowered FEL bucket? Again, I have heard that Kubota says not to do this. How can I possibly cross a trench without picking up the rear of the machine with the backhoe?

Or are these just scurrilous rumors?

 

[art]

Art, nice to see you're still around too! All these brochures and such are hard to figure out. I would like to post a pic of the JD 460 loader specs and you can tell me how it compares to the Kubota LA853 lift specs. It's kind of hard since Kubota is fairly vague on at what height specs are recorded.

By the way, I was using the specs for the LA853 from Kubota's website.
Kubota Tractor Corporation - L Series - Grand L30 Compact Tractors Attachments

Billy, it looks like if anyones was hard to read it would be Kubota's! I started out to look thru the boxes of old literature that I have to find the one that was ever so lacking and misleading when there was a switch to the pivot pin in reading the jd literature but yet they didn't disclose it when the rest of the industry was using the ASAE standards of in the bucket. The mid height range for load is new and is just becoming a point of reference and I believe that comes from the skid steer market. Could it have been a mistake? Possibly but when the company that has the highest investment in marketing for the last thirty years in this industry does it, doesn't it just make you wonder?

 

[mike69440]

Let me ask you two questions about the L39.

1. What does Kubota say about backdragging with the FEL bucket? In other threads on this comparison, people who own them say that the official Kubota stance is that backdragging should only be done with the rear of the FEL bucket. Is this really true? I routinely backdrag with the front edge of my bucket.

2. What is Kubota's stance on picking up the rear of the L39 by pushing down with the backhoe and then pivoting on the lowered FEL bucket? Again, I have heard that Kubota says not to do this. How can I possibly cross a trench without picking up the rear of the machine with the backhoe?

Or are these just scurrilous rumors?

This is off Kubota's web site.
http://www.kubota.com/h/products/l39Specs.pdf

Kubota's Web sheet states lift at pins is 2767 Lbs and 2200 At bucket bottom mid point.
I should point out 500 mm from pins is past bucket midpoint which is a realy vague dimension. (Actually it is not a dimension, is it?)

Has Kubuota restated the capcities in a new brochure?

I figure lift at bucket edge is only 1500 Lbs at as delivered pressure setting. The loader has been a disapointment, expecially in curl force.

Kubota says not to backdrag except with back of bucket. The machice does not have enough hydraulic force to backdrag with the edge, as the dump cylinder in plumbed regenerative for super stupid fast dump times.

I have a 2 x 2 x 0.38 L angle welded to the bottom of my bucket at the backside and this helps with backdraging.

I would prefer slower dump times and more back curl force available. If anyone knows how to defeat the regentative dump cycle, please explain so a moron can do it. I suspect the circuit is in the loader valve, so this may not be possible.

I don't remember what they say about picking up the back of the machine.
The machine has no problem doing this. I have buried the tractor in gooey mud and the BH was only way I could get out.

The Deere has more metal in it than the Kubota. I wish the L39 had more front axle. The Kubota does use the metal it has well. Kubota always has, for the most part.

No one is making the small TLB I really want, so in gereal I am satisfied with the L39. There is only so much you can do with a swiss army knife.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Kubota says not to backdrag except with back of bucket. The machice does not have enough hydraulic force to backdrag with the edge, as the dump cylinder in plumbed regenerative for super stupid fast dump times.

I would prefer slower dump times and more back curl force available. If anyone knows how to defeat the regentative dump cycle, please explain so a moron can do it. I suspect the circuit is in the loader valve, so this may not be possible.

There are two dump positions on the loader valve, if you go all the way to the right its the regeneritive "super crazy fast" dump. If you go slightly to the right its a slow dump under power. If your push the bucket down to back drag using the powered dump and see any slop in the loader cylinder quickly bump the stick towards the left, this will preasurize the cylinders further and lock them in place. This is how all L-series valves are, I don't have a L39 here to double check this but I am pretty sure its correct.

If you've read anything cautioning agaist back dragging its because some people will curl the bucket the entire way around and try and drag with the cylinder almost completly extended, this is a really quick way to bend the rod. As long as you drag with the bucket at a reasonable angle there is no reason to be cautious.

 

[SkyPup]

If you've read anything cautioning agaist back dragging its because some people will curl the bucket the entire way around and try and drag with the cylinder almost completly extended, this is a really quick way to bend the rod. As long as you drag with the bucket at a reasonable angle there is no reason to be cautious.

YIKES, that is one thing I've never tried with our L-39 and have zero plans to try in the future....

Major thing to watch out for when backdragging are the exposed hydraulic connectors and lines on the underside of the boom connector tube that you could manage to wipe out if not careful.

 

[capt_met]

does the 110 have locking differential? how does it handle when one of the rear wheels and one of the front wheels spin at the same time? thanks in advance.

 

[CurlyDave]

does the 110 have locking differential? how does it handle when one of the rear wheels and one of the front wheels spin at the same time? thanks in advance.

It definitely has a differential lock.

I have no idea what happens if one of the front wheels spins at the same time as one of the back wheels. I have burried mine up to the skid plate in mud and with the differential lock it drove out with no problem, but I was more interested in making sure where the entire tractor was going than in what each individual wheel was doing.

 

[capt_met]

thanks for the reply dave, with the rumors of a 110 with cab and AC in the future i am looking more into them. maybe by the time they come out i'll need a replacement.
metin

 

[LarryRB]

I would like to know the base list price of a 110 TLB.
I assume the base price would include the backhoe, the loader and bucket, and of course the tractor.
I am trying to decide between the JD 110 and the Kubota L48...
Also would like to know what some of you paid for your machine as delivered.
Thanks so much...

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this question can never be answered correctly. depending on where in the U.S. one lives and other parameters,, prices are just all over the place for the same machine. Here in New England area, are the highest prices I've read from anywhere else. Texas and Calif seems to be cheapest., ALthough, most I assume are unloaded in Calif along with corporate offices there to boot... You haven't filled in your profile so people from your area have a chance to help

 

[foz]

I am selling my JD 110: 2004 model, skid steer attachment style bucket, 18 inch backhoe bucket & 36 inch grading bucket, hydraulics to front & rear, Laurin cab, 590 hour...$29,900.00

 

[tractorman]

I had always heard about how great the JD 110 is so last fall I went out and purchased one. I guess if I have to sell against another brand I want to make sure that I understand it's capabilities. We are now getting it ready for delivery to a customer. Just thought i'd share some of my observations. Steering cylinder and tie rod are in an awful place and always get smashed as do all the lines,sensors, linkages and other crap they leave exposed. On our tractor we found that all the Loader mounting frame bolts were loose, this is what I expect to find on a standard duty tractor loader but not an industrial grade machine w/ 900 hrs. This frame is nowhere near as sturdy as on a Kubota L35/39/48 or the Yanmar CBL48, nor is it integrated with the tractor as well. We removed some of the pins from the dipperstick and bucket in an effort to get all the grease fittings working, I was surprised that there were no replaceable bushings at these points. From the standpoint of operating the tractor and trying to connect the front bucket you quickly learn that the visibility stinks. As does the fact that you have to flip the seat and get off the tractor to mount the backhoe. At least it has an electric creep function to help, but a swivel seat is still more user friendly. Getting on the tractor from the right hand side is also impossible, even for a shrimpy guy like me. That's about it for negative comments. On the bright side it has a Yanmar engine and it is a really nice looking machine. Can't think of much else.

 

[_RaT_]

I have not read all the posts here. I purchased a Kubota L48 many years ago at a time before the JD 110 was even available. After the the JD 110 was introduced, I had serious reservations about my L48 versus the JD 110. The JD 110 was from an appearance perspective, better. Add to that the plethora of TBN members buying the JD 110 (TAGS to mention but one)and bastardizing the L48, I was a bit defensive. My dealer sold both JD and Kubota. After about one year from the JD 110's introduction, I quized my dealer (Gold Country JD/Kubota) on the two TLB's. He really liked the JD 110, he was selling them fast and at retail. Then he showed me the three or four HST's yanked out of the JD 110's he had sold and said, thats their weak point. He was so irritated by JD's inability to put in a HST that was up to the JD 110's ability, he eventually lost the JD dealership. His shop simply was not equipped to handle the repairs at the rate they were coming in. I can only hope JD has addressed this issue. Without a doubt, you must order the under armour for the JD 110, not doing it is well, crawl under one and see for yourself. I was so close to selling my L48 for a JD 110. Today, I would have a Kubota L39 no questions asked, I think they are that much better then either the L48 or JD 110. Forget breakout force and maximum lift capacity, you can work with that in various ways, a broken HST, theres little room to compensate. I look forward to the Kubota L49 and the JD 111. For my money, if a TLB was in my list, the L39 would head the list, specs be darned....

 

[mike69440]

Once I add to my L39 the 420 Lbs of wheel spacer weights and 115 Lbs of bar stock into the Loader bottom tubes, and add in the weight of bucket reiforcement, beefed up front gaurd and hitch, rear thumb, chain box and tool box with supports, I will be at 7800 Lbs dry with the bucket, + 8000 lbs with the grapple. Then add another 230 lbs for my big rear.

This is the weight the L39 should have been to start with. Curl and breakout force is the machine's weak point, considering it is sold as a small TLB.

The L39 is a good machine other than 16" x 20" x 43" tires should be in the rears and 12x16.5x 31" tires on a heavier front axle rather than the smallish 15" x 19" x 40" rears and the 10.5" x 15" x 27" fronts. I cant wait till mud season.

Kubota's TLB lineup out to be B26, L43, and L56 with 8.5', 10.5' & 12' hoes. Just keep the turn radius real tight.

The JD does have more metal in it than the L39, but is it used effectively?

 

[Tags]

I really liked the 110 I had and wish I was able to keep it. I actually bought it before it was even available to demo. I previously had an L35 and just needed more tractor, I demoed the L48 and it was "nice" but it also had some issues with the self leveling valve that would cause the bucket to go into "relief" when back blading and not allow you to put any "curl" pressure on the bucket, this may have since been fixed though. Also I felt that for repeated loader work the 48's gearing was just too slow in mid range and too fast in high and this is still the case, the 110's gearing was spot on. The 110's hoe was definitely smoother than the Kubota and the loader operated similarly. The flip seat was annoying and in my opinion just inexcusable for a "construction grade" machine, as well as the lack of replaceable bushings on the end of the dipperstick on the hoe. I did have the skid plate on mine and never "ripped or wrecked" any vital hydraulic parts. The steering cylender on the 48 is just as vulnerable if you're not careful with it.

If I were in the market for one now I would probably look at the Yanmar as well. I have driven one around a parking lot and first impression, it seems nice, a good open layout and pretty much the same hoe as the 110, the loader does have a neat design but ALOT of big gawky linkage. I would maybe wait to see if Kubota is indeed coming out with a new version of the L48 because it does seem as if they really do listen to the consumer and when they rework an existing model they seem to "fix" or make vast improvements over the older model.

 

[tractorman]

Tags, where in CT are you? I thought I knew most of the equipment addicts in CT. If you're ever in the Woodbury area you should stop in!

 

[_RaT_]

I really liked the 110 I had and wish I was able to keep it. I actually bought it before it was even available to demo. I previously had an L35 and just needed more tractor, I demoed the L48 and it was "nice" but it also had some issues with the self leveling valve that would cause the bucket to go into "relief" when back blading and not allow you to put any "curl" pressure on the bucket, this may have since been fixed though. Also I felt that for repeated loader work the 48's gearing was just too slow in mid range and too fast in high and this is still the case, the 110's gearing was spot on. The 110's hoe was definitely smoother than the Kubota and the loader operated similarly. The flip seat was annoying and in my opinion just inexcusable for a "construction grade" machine, as well as the lack of replaceable bushings on the end of the dipperstick on the hoe. I did have the skid plate on mine and never "ripped or wrecked" any vital hydraulic parts. The steering cylender on the 48 is just as vulnerable if you're not careful with it.

If I were in the market for one now I would probably look at the Yanmar as well. I have driven one around a parking lot and first impression, it seems nice, a good open layout and pretty much the same hoe as the 110, the loader does have a neat design but ALOT of big gawky linkage. I would maybe wait to see if Kubota is indeed coming out with a new version of the L48 because it does seem as if they really do listen to the consumer and when they rework an existing model they seem to "fix" or make vast improvements over the older model.

They did do away with the problematic hydraulic auto level. A real issue to be sure. I had lots of power with mine, I just could not stand the way it re-adjusted the bucket angle everytime I moved the loader up or down. A real problem when back dragging. Everything about the JD 110 seemed well layed out. It did and I hope "did" is the operative word have HST issues. That was enough to make me hold off.