JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else?

   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #11  
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The big advantage of the JD is as mentioned -- the quick attach FEL bucket. Sure wish my Kubota had one. Pallet forks are a HUGE back saver. )</font>

ATI makes these for the BX, I think the QA is under $200.
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #12  
I strongly advise you to consider the JD 4010. It'll easily drive a 60" MMM. The main advantage of it over the SCUTs is a full Cat 1 3 pt. It also has about 200 # more lift both in front and back than the 2210. And it has about 4" more ground clearance, yet the ROPS is the same height or maybe and inch lower than that on the 2210. Rear wheels are about 0.5" wider, too. Same weight.

I liked the controls a whole lot better on the JDs than Kubota.

Your land is not as hilly as my 8.5 acres here in central Va.

Ralph
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else?
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#13  
Ok, now I'll really show my ignorance. What exactly is the difference between a limted Cat 1 hitch and a full Cat 1 hitch? My primary use for the SCUT will be mowing 7 acres until I get the sheep established, then I'll be down to about 1.5 acres. The FEL would be used for manure/mulch transport and maintenance of my 175' gravel drive (snow removal and light grading). At some point I'll need to use a post hole digger (preferably my neighbors) to put in the fence posts for the pasture.
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What exactly is the difference between a limted Cat 1 hitch and a full Cat 1 hitch? )</font>
Many standard cat. 1 implements are just too large for that limited hitch. It has to do with hitch to ground clearance. You mention using a PHD, and that's one that many have had trouble using on a BX with limited hitch.
Another thing, I've read many posts about snow removal, and I wonder just how efficient any sub CUT is with heavy, wet snow removal?
John
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder just how efficient any sub CUT is with heavy, wet snow removal? )</font>

John,

Depends on what you use for snow removal. I can tell you with a snowblower both front and rear mounted or a FEL I have not had any problems with traction. If you use a rear blade then I think you may have a problem with say a foot of heavy wet snow. Just have to pick the correct tool for the job. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif By far the front snowblower is the best for snow removal BUT also the most $$. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #16  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( By far the front snowblower is the best for snow removal BUT also the most $$. )</font>
Yes, I've seen some of those prices people have posted here. Another reason I'm very happy not to have to deal with snow! John
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #17  
I know this is off-topic, so forgive me, but...

How do you determine how many sheep to buy to keep the foliage cleared? I'd considered this in the past. I'm just curious... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #18  
I think that's what is coming out of this post is a good deal of experience and knowledge. Where there are disagreements, I honestly believe each poster is correct -- at least in their own settings, experiences. So, what seems clear, is that anyone with slope issues that is considering a tractor purchase, test/try out several machines on THEIR premises. Only that way, will they be sure they have selected the right machine for their situation. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Just my .02
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else?
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#19  
Newcountry Asked: "How do you determine how many sheep to buy to keep the foliage cleared? I'd considered this in the past. I'm just curious... "

I'd don't mind chatting about sheep at all, but don't think for a minute that I know anything about them, except for what I’ve read. The number of sheep, or other livestock, that can be supported on an acre of pasture depends on several factors. The biggest variable is the weather. An extended drought, for instance, can really cut into the carrying capacity. A good place to start is the Soil Conservation Soil Survey Data /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, some of which is available online at: http://soils.usda.gov/survey/online_surveys. The soil survey for your particular location is very valuable by providing information on slope, depth to bedrock, permeability, agricultural productivity, etc. I’ve got CaB and KnD type soils, with the last letter indicating the slope (B is 3-8% slope; D is 15-25% slope). I don’t recall, but I think that each acre can support about 3-4 AUM (animal units per month). An animal unit is basically 1 large animal (cow/horse) or five smaller animals (sheep/goats). So a 5-acre pasture should be able to support about 15-20 sheep during the growing season. Now, don’t think that means you can do this all year round like my neighbor, whose 5 horses (hayburners) have eaten his grass down to the roots. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Of course, the quality of the forage is also important. Legumes (clover/alfalfa) provide more nutrition than “grass”. Another factor is how the pasture is grazed. I’ll use my neighbor as an example again. He’s overgrazing his 4-acre pasture with 4 horses. What happens is that the horses search out and eat all the high quality stuff first (red/white clover), then they move on to the less palatable forage. As soon as the clover regrows just a little, the horses chew it down again. The net effect is that the best forage is weakened and ultimately eradicated and the weeds (low quality forage) prosper… especially when you don’t mow them before they go to seed. You probably think I’m nuts when I talk about mowing pasture, but it is necessary for weed control and to keep the pasture at the proper height (different livestock will eat different height forage, that’s one reason for grazing several types). My neighbor had weedy, poison ivy infested land like mine, but after several years of periodic mowing and proper pasture management they now have a large proportion of clover. Anyhow, the point I was trying to make regarding my neighbor’s pasture management is that he would get a higher yield (be able to support his horses with less supplemental feed) by splitting his pasture into two or three sections. By limiting their pasture size, they will need to graze all the forage, even the less palatable stuff. Once the first section is grazed down, they get moved to the next section to allow the forage in the first section to recuperate and build up its reserves. This is called Intensive Grazing. It requires more work on your part, but you get better yields per acre. The ideal situation would be to have the barn in the middle of a pasture divided into 4 sections, with a door opening into each section. Incidentally, square pasture is generally grazed better than rectangular ones, where the far reaches get grazed less intensively than those nearer the barn. Does this answer your question? If not, then drop another post and I’ll give it another try. Do you have any livestock on your land? I'm planning on starting a small flock of Icelandic Sheep next Spring (If I can get the fence up in time).
 
   / JD 2210, Kubota BX23, or something else? #20  
Thank you, yes that gives me a place to start. I currently do not have livestock. My main purpose for sheep or goats would be to keep my brush down so I wouldn't need to mow. My wife and kids would say 'Yea, more pets!!' I'm not sure I want to take that on right now, but may do so in the future.

Thanks again, that was very informative.
 

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