JD 301 hydraulics are dead!

   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #1  

jeep67

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I'm new here trying to get some advice on repairing my tractor.

The tractor is a 1973 John Deere 301 with a front loader and a rear 3-point hitch. After working the tractor for several hours my hydraulic system stopped working (both the loader and 3-point hitch would not work) but the tractor would continue to drive forward and back with the power steering working sporadically. Initially, I thought an internal relief valve opened up and pressure was getting bled off internally, particularly since there was no external leaks or strange noises coming from the tractor or pump. I stopped the tractor, turned it off, and let it sit for about 15 minutes. I then started it and moved it forward, and in the process of doing so, the hydraulics came back to life again like there was no problem. Well the next weekend the hydraulics started to act up again and this time started to simply loose pressure (i.e. loader would slowly raise until it wouldn't raise at all). Again, both the loader and the 3-point hitch were affected, but the tractor could still be moved.

In attempting to diagnose the problem, I first disconnected the coupler on the hydraulic pump to disconnect it from the crank off the front of the motor and move the pump by hand. To my surprise, I was able to move the pump input shaft by hand (I thought it would be much more difficult, but dismissed it since it wasn't under pressure). Next I dropped the filter bowl to replace the filter element under the tractor, and ......crap......the oil on the outside of the filter was contaminated with what appears to be brass and metal shavings. I replaced the filter anyway, fired up the tractor and drove it around for about 10 minutes. Upon the initial startup I had hydraulic pressure, or at least enough to raise the loader and the 3-point hitch with about 1500 pounds hanging off of it. However, after about 5 minutes of operation, the loader started to act sluggish until is wouldn't raise at all. Same with the 3-point hitch.

Because I found metallic material in the oil, I'm thinking the hydraulic pump died. But if the pump was dead, how could it build enough pressure to raise the loader? Also, where would the metallic material be coming from? I suspect the pump, but could it also be coming from the wet clutch on the reverser?

Any advice on diagnosing my problem and repairing it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don.
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #2  
Welcome to TBN:D

It may NOT be the pump...some metal is normal in the filter-when was it last changed?

Was/is the fluid foamy or milky looking? How cold is it where you are at?
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #3  
A dead pump is a pump with out pressure. What you may have is a worn pump, with a decreased pumping capacity. Some people will run a pump until it is dead. Others rebuild a pump at 75 % reduction. I replaced my pump when it could not build up enough pressure to lift 50 % or the rated load.

It doesn't take much pressure to lift an empty bucket or light load.

I am not saying that you don't have trouble, and I would investigate further before it gets even worse. Metal particles in the oil is not a good sign, but could come from different sources. I recommend putting a gage in the system, and that will tell you pump pressure, and can be used to trouble shoot other parts of the hyd system.
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #4  
Get some way to measure the oil pressure, and see if the pump is bad (like J_J said :) )

Now am assuming that you put new oil back in when you changed the filter, and the oil level is full.

Does that have a double pump? One for hydraulics and one for power steering? Has been a Deere feature for awhile, but not sure about 1973.
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #5  
Just a note, his tractor most likely has a Closed Center hydraulic system...
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead!
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Thanks for the quick responses, folks, I appreciate it.

I'll purchase a gauge and fittings to test the pump pressure. However, I do not know where I should tap into the system. There is three hydraulic lines connected to the pump. One, with a large diameter hose, connected to the front of the pump and two other lines connected closer to the rear (towards the motor) of the pump, one of which goes to the reservoir/pressure tank and the other goes to the rear of the tractor and supplies fluid to the power steering and the reverser valvebody. I suspect I should tap into the later of the three lines, the one going to the reverser valvebody, correct?
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead!
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Also: the oil and filter was replaced three months ago with no visible signs of metal shavings; the oil level was never low; some, or all, of the metal shavings could be from grinding the gears when cold. After it warms up, the gears shift smoothly; and I didn't replace the oil after replacing the filter.

In addition to diagnosing the oil pressure with a gauge, I think I will disconnect the counterbalance connected to the 3-point hitch and see if that improves the lifting capabilities on the loader. If it does, then it would appear the pump is unable to pump at maximum pressure.
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead!
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Just a note, his tractor most likely has a Closed Center hydraulic system...

I believe you are correct. The pump only pumps when required. It has a built in pressure tank.
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #9  
Just a note, his tractor most likely has a Closed Center hydraulic system...

Hi Kennyd! Can you tell what type of pumps JD are using for their CC CP systems? What I have seen here before seems to be Fixed displacement pumps with dump valve. Do/did they ever use variable diplacement pumps??
 
   / JD 301 hydraulics are dead! #10  
Hi Kennyd! Can you tell what type of pumps JD are using for their CC CP systems? What I have seen here before seems to be Fixed displacement pumps with dump valve. Do/did they ever use variable diplacement pumps??

I dont know specifically, I am only familiar with the newer CUT's, but most of the older JD's used CC systems...
 

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