JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting

   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #1  

dgr321

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Anybody have any experience with troubleshooting the Control Module in a JD 4100?
This problem started off with the tractor turning over but not starting. Traced issue to fuel solenoid not pulling on. Checked out fuel solenoid with an available 12V source on the tractor and determined it was working OK and traced issue to the K3 Fuel Solenoid relay. Checked out relay inputs and outputs and found that it was not getting 12V across the coil to close the contacts. Traced issue back to control module.
From my understanding of the control logic there should be a momentary 12V supplied by the control module between the pink wire and the gray wire (relay coil ground path). During this time the relay contact closes providing the pull-in voltage to the fuel solenoid. The gray wire ground path is supposed to open after 1 second which terminates the 12V to the relay and opens the contact. By this time the solenoid is provided with a low-current 12V source which will hold the fuel solenoid in to keep the tractor running.
So found another momentary 12V source (starter relay) to get the fuel solenoid pulled in and get the tractor started so could checkout the control module. The fuel solenoid hold-in voltage source (red wire) appears to be good (shows battery voltage).
Opened up control module and measured voltage between pink wire and gray wire (ground). With key in 徹n position voltage went to ~135 mV. Then started tractor. Voltage drops to near ~20mV momentarily and then started climbing. After several seconds (40-50 sec) it reached 200 mV and then dropped to zero again and started cycle over - always topping out at 200mV before dropping back to zero. So definitely not enough voltage to close the K3 contacts.
So I think the issue is with the control module and wondering what options there might be for troubleshooting of the control module - or is a replacement in the cards?
Thanks in advance.
 

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   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #2  
Don't have an answer, but what is all the debris showing up on the control module? Is there corrosion seen up on the soldered contact points as well?

Maybe try a circuit board cleaner and blow it dry with some canned air. just a thought...
 
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#3  
Good point. I did take some air to it to clean it up.
 
   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #4  
Here's a link to a discussion that happened a few years back on an erratic board from a 4110. There are suggestions what to look for, but the conclusion was without a board schematic its pretty hard to narrow down components. FYI, for awhile I bypassed the board entirely but when it became necessary for others to operate the tractor I contributed to JDs parts department. Been a few years, but I seem to recall a replacement control module being in the $300*$400 price range.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...ting/345088-burned-ecu-board-pics-4110-a.html
 
   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #6  
I kind of had almost the same issue with my 4100 and I traced it to a faulty ground wire. I don’t know if this helps.
 
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#7  
Thanks. That might help narrow the search. And it makes sense based on the symptoms. Do you remember what ground wire you found an issue with? Was it in the control module or elsewhere on the tractor?
 
   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #8  
sorry for the late reply. It ended up being the wire from the battery to the frame. I just went ahead and replaced it and cleaned all other ground connections. I also replaced the positive cable just to be safe and haven't had any problems since.
 
   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #9  
These ideas are good.
 
   / JD 4100 Control Module Troubleshooting #10  
I just replaced my control module on my 4100 Gear only to have it fry again within 4 hours of use. I have no idea where to even start troubleshooting this but I don't want to shell out another $300 before I can identify the issue. as you can see the box/board gets very hot. but the good thing is the connector is fi4100 burnt control module.jpgne. Any advice/direction would be appreciated
 

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