JD 4115 vs. Kubota B2630

rockyridgefarm · Jun 9, 2005

Ecellant thinking.

When I bought My 4310, Kub's L30s were just hitting the stores. At that point, I was able to get the Deere for thousands less than the Kub (which was in short supply) Funny it seems your situation is just the oppisite (unles the Deeres are in short supply...) You would think Deere would ba all bout moving the 4010s...

rockyridgefarm · Jun 9, 2005

9.8GPM! 

is that a good thing?

JT1972 · Jun 9, 2005

I think you may want to also consider the New Holland brand. The new Hollland has several advantages over both of these tractors:
- When talking about HP, the engine hp is not what does the work, its the PTO hp you should be concerned about. PTO hp is what does your work and the New Holland drivetrains are much more efficient than either JD or Kubota. The TC26 has 20.5 PTO HP.
- As far as loaders go, make sure to check out the NH curved boom loader and operating platform. Not only do you have greater lift capacity, but the visibility from the New holland tractor around the loader is superior to the JD or Kubota traditional loader.
- The one thing you want to keep in mind about Kubota is the fact that none of their specs are nebraska tested. Anyone can advertise anything if its not certified. Check out the rear axles of both the JD and Kubota compared to the New Holland tractors. Cast iron rear axles versus stamped steel of the Kubota, you can literally push over the kubota tractor since it weighs 700 lbs less.
- Serviceability, both kubota and JD have sidepanels which makes getting to the service points very hard, just try and find the battery. The NH tractor with the one piece hood design and gas strut provides superiour access.

Hope this helps

MessickFarmEqu · Jun 9, 2005

( I think you may want to also consider the New Holland brand. The new Hollland has several advantages over both of these tractors:
- When talking about HP, the engine hp is not what does the work, its the PTO hp you should be concerned about. PTO hp is what does your work and the New Holland drivetrains are much more efficient than either JD or Kubota. The TC26 has 20.5 PTO HP.
- As far as loaders go, make sure to check out the NH curved boom loader and operating platform. Not only do you have greater lift capacity, but the visibility from the New holland tractor around the loader is superior to the JD or Kubota traditional loader.
- The one thing you want to keep in mind about Kubota is the fact that none of their specs are nebraska tested. Anyone can advertise anything if its not certified. Check out the rear axles of both the JD and Kubota compared to the New Holland tractors. Cast iron rear axles versus stamped steel of the Kubota, you can literally push over the kubota tractor since it weighs 700 lbs less.
- Serviceability, both kubota and JD have sidepanels which makes getting to the service points very hard, just try and find the battery. The NH tractor with the one piece hood design and gas strut provides superiour access.

Hope this helps )

I sell both Kubota and New Holland, what you listed are the standard things NH lists as why they are better. A handfew of these things have some merrit, but others have little impact. The biggest issues in this case is that NH prices right along side of Deere, a TC26 is at least $3000 more at dealer net over a 24Hp 7610. In all fairness, it is more tractor in some respects and can compare to the 2630 in most areas. New Holland makes a nice deluxe compact, but if they really want to be serious in this market they need somthing that can price along with the standard series Kubota's.

I never knew Kubota did not do Nebraska testing, where can you get the results? I actualy own a load cell and am working on putting together a package of some of my own testing. The Kubota's that I have done so far have all out performed their factory spec, I've not done a NH yet.

seapea · Jun 9, 2005

( I never knew Kubota did not do Nebraska testing, where can you get the results? I actualy own a load cell and am working on putting together a package of some of my own testing. The Kubota's that I have done so far have all out performed their factory spec, I've not done a NH yet.)

Check out the following comparision:

http://www.aldermans.com/Kubota/unused/kubota_NewB30.html

What's not clear is which NH and JD models are being compared to. Maybe someone with a keen eye can tell.

I made a quick check of the TC24 compared to the B7610 by looking at the New Holland website and checking TBN for prices. It looks like the TC24+FEL costs about $15,000 to $15,500 on average, so this is about $1500 more than the B7610+FEL.

New Holland does not provide nearly as much spec info as Kubota and JD, but it looks like performance and size wise, the TC24 is close to the B7610. It doesn't weigh too much more, maybe 200 pounds. The TC29 is where New Holland really starts to put on the pounds over a comparable Kubota, like the B3030..

From the literature, it appears the TC24 has position control, but all it really says it that "An adjustable stop on the control lever allows you to return the three-point hitch to a preset position for consistent, level plowing or grading".

JT1972 · Jun 9, 2005

It surprises me that you are a salesperson for NH and haven't been able to point out the value of the NH product over a clearly lighter, less durable product. The salesperson that I had was very good at explaining the benefits of the one piece hood giving the customer complete access to the engine, the battery within easy access without having to remove a dozen sidepanels. The larger components like the air filters, the axles, the modern hydrostatic steering. This stuff does cost money to provide a superior product. When I started to compare the product objectively, paying the additional money was a no brainer. Especially if you start comparing apples to apples. Taking the path of least resistence does nothing for the customer, am glad my salesperson sold me the features rather than the price!! I would be interested in seeing your load cell results or would welcome the opportunity to chain them back to back because I get more PTO hp out of my nh than any kubota!! Another benefit you should be explaining to your customers.....NH's more efficient drivelines. Engine hp means little or nothing if you can't put the power to the ground.

Bob_Skurka · Jun 9, 2005

I'm not here to defend either you or Neil Messick, but I come from a somewhat unique position of being one of the few TBN members who has both a New Holland and a Kubota. (TC24D & B2910).

To say that the Kubota is clearly less durable is nonsense. It is an ultralight tractor. The entire "B" series of machines are ultralights. To say they are less durable is, however not able to be substantiated. Mine is about a 2000 or 2001 model and has been totally flawless, my TC is 2 years old and while I really really like it, it has not be totally flawless.

The B series tractors are lower capacity tractors than the TC series, but they are that way by design. The B series tractors are each the lightest machines in their respective power ratings compared to the competition, but they are that way by design. Each tractor design has its trade offs, every machine is a compromise for someone. We have to match the machine for the job.

Personally I think for small property owners who do more landscape maintainence than anything else, there is no tractor in the market that can touch a B series Kubota. The Grand L series Kubota, on the other hand clearly outclasses the TC series tractors in terms of weight and capacity. Then there are the budget L tractors (L2800 and L3400) and those are pretty basic machines, the L3400, at least has a pretty good transmission and is far more sophisticated than the L2800.

But using the logic that weight & capacity are always perferred, then the TC machines clearly lag behing the Grand L machines. In my mind the TC machines fit clearly IN BETWEEN the B and the Grand L classes. For some people a TC may weigh too much to drive over their delicate lawn . . . for other people it may not have adequate lift capacity at either the FEL or the 3pt (compare a TC33/14L FEL to a L3130/723 FEL) . . . for many people it is the perfect fit able to do both types of jobs REASONABLY well, which takes us back to the concept of compromise.

Now, I have clearly stated many times on TBN that I like the TC better than the B, but when I go shopping for yet another tractor, I can honestly tell you I don't know what brand it will be. I'll let the jobs I intend to do dictate to me what tractor is going to be the least compromise.

Dargo · Jun 9, 2005

( It surprises me that you are a salesperson for NH and haven't been able to point out the value of the NH product over a clearly lighter, less durable product. The salesperson that I had was very good at explaining the benefits)

Apparently your "salesperson" took advantage of you and you went for it, hook, line, and sinker. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I've owned JD, NH, and Kubota. If a salesperson told me that a JD or Kubota were clearly "less durable" than their NH, that would be the end of the sales pitch. I would realize that the guy absolutely does not know his product or his competitor's product. Also, the guy is would be considered a very poor salesman in most everyone's book. There is nothing wrong with a NH, but if you had a salesman that told you that, and you believed him, you didn't do your homework.

Dargo · Jun 9, 2005

( because I get more PTO hp out of my nh than any kubota!! )

Hmm, I missed this part of your post. I don't think I even need to comment here. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

MessickFarmEqu · Jun 9, 2005

You can pick appart any brand in that way, I tend to encourage people to operate each, give them the specs and the benifits, some of which you listed, and let them make their own choices. What you said is correct, but there are many things that can also be said for Kubota's product. Better development teams, better tollerances for their products which result in implements that are much easier to take on and off, better quality control, smoother transmissions - especialy the L's, and so forth. I'm not saying that one brand is nessesarily better than the other, infact the TC24/26 is one my favorite NH tractors, I'm just pointing out there are different area's that these companies excel in... from the limited information we have it seems like the origional poster maybe better served by a 7610.