JD 5083e -opinions?

[bunchgrass]

Well - I've been checking out the orange machines (Kubota) in the 70-80HP range but recently came across a JD 5083e w/ cab/MFWD and loader w/ only 25 hrs on it. Asking price is almost ($44,000) $10,000 less than comparable Kubota (as best I can tell).

So what does the "e" series mean for JD? Any thoughts on "stuff" I should try and negotiate added on? I do need to have a 3 fuction joystick/loader. Pallet forks?

Does the JD e series use quick attach loader bucket?

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Well - I've been checking out the orange machines (Kubota) in the 70-80HP range $10,000 less than comparable ?

none of the 70-80hp machines from Kubota should be anywhere near $54000... thats like 120hp power shift range.

 

[bunchgrass]

Here's my info regarding the Kubota price:

M8540HDC 4WD Cab $53,832.00 (MSRP) $51,000(Dealer)

Not sure why so much discrepency. So what are you saying this tractor should sell for if what I'm showing is more like 125HP price? Thanks.

 

[kfvintx]

Pricing seems a little off on JD also. I'm looking and comparing as well with 5083E on my short list. I've been quoted less than price above for brand new. When looking at Kubota they were quoting me higher than JD as well but dont think it was $10k higher.

 

[bunchgrass]

I know - the 5083e price is right at list if you build one on the JD website (MSRP) and that ain't happenin'.

But I think the tractor gods ar espeaking to me - I just fixed the broken spindle on the right front of my MF 265 2 days ago and today, after less than an hour, I got a flat on the other front wheel.

 

[kfvintx]

No better time to buy than when emotional and upset at current..... oh wait, that is how I got into current situation with boat. Not one of my smarter moves:confused2:

 

[ctlguy]

I know - the 5083e price is right at list if you build one on the JD website (MSRP) and that ain't happenin'.

But I think the tractor gods ar espeaking to me - I just fixed the broken spindle on the right front of my MF 265 2 days ago and today, after less than an hour, I got a flat on the other front wheel.

It can also depend on which loader you are looking at for the 5083e, the 563 sl loader is more than 4k than the std 553 loader.

 

[charleyfarmall]

The 5083e is a spec tractor for deere and designed to hit a price point and average use point for them.

Turns out, they nailed it with that tractor. The only mistake they made is not having a 5075e in the lineup.

It's a really nice utility tractor and meets or beats the specs from their competitors at a better price. It comes in at a better price than NH, Case, or Kubota.

the M series are the deluxe tractors for Deere, and they are. They are priced that way too.

As you found out, they are probably asking too much for that one but there is always room to negotiate. It is basically a new tractor. I have seen demo tractors with more hours than that.

If it meets your needs, you could make worse choices by far.

 

[bunchgrass]

Thanks for your input. I did learn something today about the 'e series' tractors. The E Limited (83 - 101 hp) uses a wet clutch setup while the regular E series (70 and down) use a dry clutch and isn't available with the shuttle reverser shift The dealer also felt that the frame of the tractor was heavier on the M series.

Comparison of the M and E requires pouring over the brochures looking for differences (like old Sesame Street song "One of these things is not like the other....")

 

[jenkinsph]

Thanks for your input. I did learn something today about the 'e series' tractors. The E Limited (83 - 101 hp) uses a wet clutch setup while the regular E series (70 and down) use a dry clutch and isn't available with the shuttle reverser shift The dealer also felt that the frame of the tractor was heavier on the M series.

Comparison of the M and E requires pouring over the brochures looking for differences (like old Sesame Street song "One of these things is not like the other....")

If you compare an E side by side with an M in person you will see there is a big difference in the two. The M is a heavier duty full featured tractor with more robust rear end, better transmission choices and better hydraulics.

 

[ctlguy]

Here is a chart sent to me on a e vs m a while back, if I recall this particular one is between 5093e and 5095m not that it should matter, more of a std feature dif on cab units.

Transmission
E series is a 12x12
M series quoted is a 16x16 both units with a power reverser (both tractors also a wet clutch design)
E series diff lock is mechanical actuated
M series diff lock is electro-hydraulic actuated

Hydraulics
E series is 15.9 gpm
M series is 18.4 gpm (both of these figures are the scv hyd not total flow so can be a better comparison than total flow)
E series three point capacity #3213
M series three point capacity #3595 (as well as telescoping draft links)
E series draft sensing is top link only
M series draft sensing is bottom link

PTO
E series is dry clutch
M series is wet clutch (also eliminates manual pto engagement freeing up LH side for buddy seat)
E series loses 540e capability when adding 1000 pto kit
M series retains 540e capability when adding 1000 pto kit

Cab
E series 1 door standard
M series 2 doors and steps standard

M series will weigh approx #760 more
Both units built in Augusta GA
The E series for whatever reason does show a slightly lower sound level (77 db(A) vs 80 on the M)

E series has tilt steering only (I may be wrong on this one)
M series has tilt and telescope steering
Tires
E series bias ply tires std
M series radial tires std

HP
For whatever reason the M has 1 more hp, as far as I know there is no difference in the engines.
E series 30 gal fuel tank
M series 38 gal fuel tank

 

[bunchgrass]

Hey, thanks for the e vs m comparison. As I think I posted, the "E limiteds"- 83 HP and up, do have a wet clutch setup and thus can utilize the F/R shuttle for loader work.

Just wonder about the HP drop from engine HP to PTO HP. It seemed pretty big to me. Like the 5083e drops from 83 to 69. The engine HP is calculated as "at rated speed" w/ the footnote 97/68 EC gross engine horsepower. Whatever that means!! Their other series - M also shows a huge difference btw engine 85HP and PTO 70HP. What's going on with that?

Even the other JD's I checked out seem to have huge differences in engine vs PTO HP. In the 60 series they're showing drops of like 20 to 30 HP on a 170 -210 HP tractor.

So my Kubota guy is making a big deal out of this but I'm not sure it's that much of a concern

 

[ctlguy]

Hey, thanks for the e vs m comparison. As I think I posted, the "E limiteds"- 83 HP and up, do have a wet clutch setup and thus can utilize the F/R shuttle for loader work.

Just wonder about the HP drop from engine HP to PTO HP. It seemed pretty big to me. Like the 5083e drops from 83 to 69. The engine HP is calculated as "at rated speed" w/ the footnote 97/68 EC gross engine horsepower. Whatever that means!! Their other series - M also shows a huge difference btw engine 85HP and PTO 70HP. What's going on with that?

Even the other JD's I checked out seem to have huge differences in engine vs PTO HP. In the 60 series they're showing drops of like 20 to 30 HP on a 170 -210 HP tractor.

So my Kubota guy is making a big deal out of this but I'm not sure it's that much of a concern

Like you mentioned I dont think it is that much of a concern either, probably talking about 3-4 hp on paper. It is really, really interesting that Kubota has only ever had about 8-9 tractors tested at the u of Neb test lab. It would be great if there was more independent testing done by the orange guys. It appears that most of the big players , agco, case, MF, NH, Deere etc have almost all of thier tractors tested (above 40hp). You do have to hand it to Kubota Corp though, they have done well by playing hp on paper game. And have really changed how tractors are advertised in terms of gross vs pto hp. Now before the Kubota's guys get mad I was trying to compliment Kubota's marketing skills not say they are a poor tractor (or Lying).

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

It is really, really interesting that Kubota has only ever had about 8-9 tractors tested at the u of Neb test lab. It would be great if there was more independent testing done by the orange guys.

I am not sure if the tests are online, but many of the models that used to be flagged "not for sale in Nebraska" don't say that anymore. They must have run a bunch of stuff though. I'll be curious if that continues though, because with all the Tier4 stuff comming though it hardly makes sense to go though the cost of Nebraska testing just to have to do it over again between Tier 4i (2012) and Tier 4 (2014).

 

[bunchgrass]

Hey Neil,

Why would a tractor that didn't have the Nebraska test not be allowed for sale in Nebraska? (I assume that's why some were tagged "not for sale in NE).

 

[AKfish]

Here is a chart sent to me on a e vs m a while back, if I recall this particular one is between 5093e and 5095m not that it should matter, more of a std feature dif on cab units.

Transmission
E series is a 12x12
M series quoted is a 16x16 both units with a power reverser (both tractors also a wet clutch design)
E series diff lock is mechanical actuated
M series diff lock is electro-hydraulic actuated

Hydraulics
E series is 15.9 gpm
M series is 18.4 gpm (both of these figures are the scv hyd not total flow so can be a better comparison than total flow)
E series three point capacity #3213
M series three point capacity #3595 (as well as telescoping draft links)
E series draft sensing is top link only
M series draft sensing is bottom link

PTO
E series is dry clutch
M series is wet clutch (also eliminates manual pto engagement freeing up LH side for buddy seat)
E series loses 540e capability when adding 1000 pto kit
M series retains 540e capability when adding 1000 pto kit

Cab
E series 1 door standard
M series 2 doors and steps standard

M series will weigh approx #760 more
Both units built in Augusta GA
The E series for whatever reason does show a slightly lower sound level (77 db(A) vs 80 on the M)

E series has tilt steering only (I may be wrong on this one)
M series has tilt and telescope steering
Tires
E series bias ply tires std
M series radial tires std

HP
For whatever reason the M has 1 more hp, as far as I know there is no difference in the engines.
E series 30 gal fuel tank
M series 38 gal fuel tank

Excellent reference material - ctlguy! :thumbsup: Thanks!

Couple of observations for anyone considering the 65-75hp M series, though.

Cabbed models, 5065M-5075M do not come standard with radial tires. The fuel tank size is also 31 gallons - not 38 gallons.

Of course, you then have the choice to add on a slew of optional features that really open up the differences between the Limited series and the M's.

AKfish

 

[ctlguy]

AK, you are very welcome, and yes you are correct there are some diff on the lower hp units,. I see that now there is going to be some changes to 2012 E and M series units. The e's will now have electrohydraulic pto engagement, so no more dry pto clutch (room for a buddy seat now), and an air seat option. For the M's the 5095 will become 5100m and the 5105m will become 5115m, 65 and 75 will stay about the same but all will have a deluxe cab option (bluetooth cap, roof window, cornerpost exh, etc). The cool change I think is that 85m's on up will have synchro range trans (except A range). Fuel capacity is also going up on all some with as much as 47 gal.

Bunchgrass I att an interesting article that talkes a little bit about the origin of the nebraska tractor test law.

 

[JD3520Turbo]

I have 41 hours on my 5083E and I am happy with it. I admit completely that it is not an M series, but that is okay for me. It has the exact same engine and has the power reverser and Epto like the M series, but doesn't have all the electronic engagement buttons. It has old school levers, but it works. Uses a standard rockshaft 3 point instead of the cylinders like the M series. However, I bought mine cheaper than a non cab/open station 5075M and got 72months at 0% interest.
The only real complaint I have is the seat is not very good. It is to weak for my fat butt and doesn't go back far enough, (which I corrected). I really want an air seat. Should have had them change it when I bought it, but didn't know I needed it.

It runs an HX-15 batwing cutter real nice. have no complaints with its performance at this point. Not as fancy and user friendly as the M series, but still gets the job done.
I do wish it had lights in the dash. Sort of strange that it doesn't.

 

[AKfish]

If I sell my JD110TLB, pretty sure my next tractor will be the 5093E Limited. Nearly all of the "creature comforts" of the M series and with all that Horsepower - for a darn good price!

AKfish

 

[charleyfarmall]

The above two posts point out the beauty of the e Limited tractors. Sure the M's are heavier duty with more features, but if you don't use that capacity and the e meets your needs then it is hard to beat. Looks like the next generation is going to narrow the gap too.